no rhyme for "castle"

[Laurence Horn]

On Oct 31, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Janis Vizier Nihart wrote:

> castle--hassle?  tassel?

Check the first posting in the thread.  The observation was that if the /t/ in "castle" is pronounced, there will no longer be any rhymes for "castle" i.e. /'kaest at l/.  The standard (if not only) pronunciation (for anyone other than Lorraine Bracco, as reported by Jon), /'kaes at l/, sports many rhymes.  The /'kaest at l/ pronunciation is the one that presents challenges, although (as argued by some of us) not insuperable ones.

LH


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>> Schwa stands for many sounds but I'd say Castle ['kaest at l] (~kastool) and
>> "fast'll (~fastool) are a perfect rhyme (where ~ool is as in "wool").  I
>> hear "will" often said as "wool".
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>> Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
>> See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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>>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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>>> > Famed star Lorraine Bracco clearly pronounced the "t" in "castle"
>>> > while introducing the film _The Black Room_ on TNT this week.
>>> >
>>> > That means she can't rhyme it successfully with any single English
>>> > word. That could be a problem at some point.
>>> >
>>> Not if phonological words (complete with clitics) count:
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>>> I just timed a wide-out named Castle ['kaest at l]
>>> I've never seen his match.
>>> Someone who runs that fast'll
>>> Be awfully tough to catch.
>>>
>>> [inspired by watching the aforemetioned football wrap-up show]
>>>
>>> LH
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