Breaking doubled consonants into syllables

Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Wed Aug 29 13:03:14 UTC 2012

With truespel phonetics there is a vowel for every syllable (no vowelized consonants).  So to make parsing easy I suggest ending each phonetic syllable with a vowel (except for the last).  Now this may seem very nuts but it works nicely and ends the controversy about syllabication ~si-la-bi-kkae-shin (kk shows stressed syllable)."breaking      double  consonants      controversy"~brae-keeng du-bool kaa-nsoe-nints kaa-ntroe-ver-see (~er is a vowel form because the "r" changes the "e" sound)
Is it possible to have two sequential syllables both stressed?  Is it possible to "hold" a plosive longer when doubled "tt" or "pp" or "cc" than when single?  How do you lengthen a plosive?I don't think either of these things happen.

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
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> Poster:       Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject:      Re: Breaking doubled consonants into syllables
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> Tom,
> If you want to see what really does happen in the slosh of typical
> speech, a nice phrase, by the way, you have to transcribe phonetically
> directly from sound spectrograms--voiceprints.  There's been a fair
> amount of work on this, and the results can be astonishing in terms of
> the amount of reduction that goes on.  However, in what are called
> "citation forms," for example, the way we pronounce the headword of a
> dictionary entry, separate consonants don't have to be separated by a
> vowel sound.  This is obvious when the two consonants aren't
> identical, like the "st" in "stir," "rest," or "rested."  When the two
> consonants are identical, as "unnatural," "non-native," "thick crust,"
> etc., the two last longer than in words like "illegal," "attend," etc.
>  This is particularly true when the syllables containing the two
> identical consonants are both stressed.
> Herb
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah but what does really happen in the slosh of typical speech.  For insta=
> > nce the word "non-negative".  If we were to say "nah negative" it would be =
> > closer to the way we actually say it.  The final "n" of "non" bleeds into t=
> > he leading "n" of negative.  No pause or gap which to me would be needed to=
> >  hyphenate it there aurally.  Take the word "syllable" ~silibool or si-li-b=
> > ool (~bool rhymes with "wool").  We don't aurally split those l's aurally.
> > In truespel phonetics stress default is on the first syllable but shifts to=
> >  the vowel after a double consonant like "desert" and "dessert".  So unnatu=
> > ral is ~unnacherool.  I find that double consonants are subtle indicators o=
> > f stress on a following vowel (but for silent e suffix rules).
> >
> > Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now Fl 9.
> > See how English spelling links to sounds at
> >
> >
> >  >=20
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