Fwd: another reversal??

Arnold Zwicky zwicky at STANFORD.EDU
Mon Oct 8 14:22:41 UTC 2012

sorry: meant for the whole list:

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> From: Arnold Zwicky <zwicky at stanford.edu>
> Subject: Re: another reversal??
> Date: October 8, 2012 7:17:26 AM PDT
> To: geoffnathan at wayne.edu
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Geoff Nathan wrote:
>> I agree with Alice. It seems to me that 'adapted' has an unspoken connotation of 'boiled down' or shrunk (that's normally what happens when novels etc. become screenplays, for example), and that seems to be what's jarring about saying that an article was 'adapted' into a book.
> it might be that adapting longer material into shorter is more common than the reverse (if so, that's a fact about the world, not necessarily about the semantics of "adapt"), but the reverse is amply attested: {"adapt * into a book"} gets more than 4 million raw ghits, covering adaptations of presentations, sketches, ideas, etc., and indeed articles:
> Before my article was even published on the Salon website, I received an email for him, inquiring if I wanted to adapt the article into a book. He offered to represent me.
>  http://www.kenilgunas.com/2012/02/to-get-book-deal-part-1-of-2.html
> arnold
>> I'm teaching a course this semester which includes an introduction to corpus linguistics--maybe I'll do some elementary research. Geoff Geoffrey S. Nathan Faculty Liaison, C&IT and Professor, Linguistics Program http://blogs.wayne.edu/proftech/ +1 (313) 577-1259 (C&IT) ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alice Faber" <faber at HASKINS.YALE.EDU>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 9:23:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: another reversal??
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>>> Poster: Alice Faber <faber at HASKINS.YALE.EDU>
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>>> On 10/8/12 5:48 AM, Arnold Zwicky wrote:
>>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:09 AM, Victor Steinbok wrote:
>>>>> I'm not even sure what to think here... Take a look at "adapted" in
>>>>> the
>>>>> snippet below.
>>>>> http://goo.gl/CBdZ2
>>>>>> I was sitting on a beach on that vacation in the summer of 2011,
>>>>>> exactly 40 years after Merle Miller's essay "What It Means to Be a
>>>>>> Homosexual" first appeared in the New York Times Magazine, when I
>>>>>> opened On Being Different, the book Miller adapted from that
>>>>>> essay.
>>>>> Perhaps I'm misreading it.
>>>> i don't see what the problem is. we have
>>>> the book (that) Miller adapted ___ from that essay
>>>> that is,
>>>> Miller adapted the book from that essay
>>>> the essay came first, and Miller adapted the essay to make the book
>>>> (by expanding on it).
>>>> were you thinking of "from that essay" as a postmodifier of "the
>>>> book" -- which would presuppose that there was a book inside the
>>>> essay (and then says that Miller adapted it)? that is, in fact, a
>>>> possible additional reading of "adapted the book from that essay",
>>>> involving another structure for the phrase (but not a reversal in
>>>> the meaning of "adapted") -- a reading that's unlikely in the real
>>>> world.
>>> Victor may have been thinking what I was thinking, that essays in the
>>> Times Magazine are often extracts from already completed books,
>>> adapted
>>> to be self-contained. If an essay becomes the core of a book, it is
>>> expanded; as there would, presumably, be a lot more material in the
>>> book, adaptation doesn't seem to be an appropriate description.
>>> Granted,
>>> it doesn't grate the way the Facebook "via" that you blogged about the
>>> other day does, but it still does feel like a similar reversal, and it
>>> does sound a bit odd to me.
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