Make X born
gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM
Sat Aug 17 01:24:02 UTC 2013
"Be born gay" seems fine, too. I think it's the combination of passive and causative that sounds strange.
1. My grandfather made my parents raise me that way
is essentially equivalent to
2. My grandfather made me be raised that way
but number 2 sounds strange.
3. My grandfather made it such that I was raised that way
Although stilted, number 3 sounds fine--though "made" is no longer causative.
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On Aug 16, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
> At 8/16/2013 05:28 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
>> "Be born [in some manner]" doesn't strike me as odd.
> But when the "manner" is omitted, as in "make [X = person]
> born"? Which strikes me as odd, whereas "be born gay" is in my
> dialect. And only God can make a tree be born (to paraphrase someone).
>> I looked through the lyrics at
>> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ladygaga/bornthisway.html and didn't
>> see anything odd, though "born" is not used causatively.
>> Benjamin Barrett
>> Seattle, WA
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>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 2:09 PM, "Baker, John" <JBAKER at STRADLEY.COM> wrote:
>>> Do you have any issues with the Lady Gaga song, Born This Way?
>>> The clip has been taken down from YouTube, but I presume can be
>> found somewhere on the Colbert Nation website, http://www.colbertnation.com/.
>>> John Baker
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Subject: Make X born
>>> Starting about 6:50 in the video at
>> from the Colbert Report yesterday, an Appalachian man uses the
>> construction "makes X born [that way]" in reference to god creating
>> people so they are gay at birth. He uses it more than once.
>>> This construction is not allowable for me. If I had to use
>> "born," I might say, "makes X be born," but there is still
>> something odd to me about this.
>>> It occurs to me that "That blouse needs washed" might be involved
>> (I can't say that, either), but something else seems to be at play.
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