[Ads-l] Query about dialectal "warsh" (wash)

Herb Stahlke hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
Mon Dec 8 16:30:49 UTC 2014


I should have added that the retroflex /r/ in American English very often
has a strongly retracted tongue root.  Mona Lindau did some work on this.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com> wrote:

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> IIRC, phonetically this seeming excrescent r could result from extreme
> backing of the low back rounded vowel in some varieties of "wash."  There
> was an article on this phenomenon in Dutch back in the 90s, but I haven't
> been able to find the reference.
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> Herb
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> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > arnold, isn't Mary Louise Kean from Warshington, DC?
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> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Douglas G. Wilson <douglas at nb.net>
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> > > Sometimes the "intrusive R" in "warsh" is called characteristic of St.
> > > Louis, but it is also called characteristic of Pittsburgh and Baltimore
> > > and some other places. On-line I see it called characteristic of
> Midland
> > > dialect (US) in general. Also "Midwest". Also Western/Northwestern US.
> > > Also "Ohio Valley".  I've heard it plenty in PA, OH, IL. I've heard it
> > > in Detroit, and I've heard _about_ it in Detroit without anybody
> > > suggesting that it wasn't/isn't usual there (is it?). I also see it
> > > mentioned in connection with West Somerset (UK). Probably there are
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> > > remarks somewhere in the ADS-L archive.
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