[Ads-l] Antedating of "Founding Fathers" by Barry Popik

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Sun Dec 21 01:51:44 UTC 2014


Thanks, Fred. Here is a link to the 1886 citation located by Barry.
http://books.google.com/books?id=re5C-7xDS5MC&q=founding#v=snippet&

The link has two parts. The first part identifies the volume within
the Google Books database:
http://books.google.com/books?id=re5C-7xDS5MC&

The second part "q=founding#v=snippet&" tells the GB search engine to
search for the word "founding" within the volume and to display a
snippet. I selected the word "founding" because it occurs only once in
the volume.

Here is a short link if there is a problem with the link above.
http://bit.ly/13pqHDV

Garson


On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
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> The link below appears to be problematic.  The citation can be found by sea=
> rching Google Books for "founding fathers."
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> Fred Shapiro
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> I hope that the OED regularly monitors barrypopik.com for antedatings.  For=
>  example, "founding fathers" (OED 1941), was antedated to 1894 by me, but B=
> arry has it in 1886:
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> The One Hundred and Fiftieth Anniversary of the Consociatons, Fairfield
> East=85
> p.45
> =93Patriotism in Our Churches=94
> By Rev. Edward Anderson
> Our land has been made secure (who doubts it) because of the Christian
> principle
> that underlies it, as shown in the deeply religious phaze of our war. Are
> prayers of the founding fathers to be echoed in prayers of the establishing
> sons, for nothing?
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> Fred Shapiro
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