[Ads-l] "Downsight"

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Mon Dec 29 12:32:54 UTC 2014


In a somewhat similar vein, for some years (though not forever) I've been
hearing
/ 'hausiz /.

JL

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Dear Herb=2C
> Please(~z) excuse(~z) me but I surmise(~z) that I don't know what
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>  to be the meaning of morphological restrictions(~z) for ending ~s sound
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> Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now FL 12.See how
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> > Date: Sun=2C 28 Dec 2014 23:05:56 -0500
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> > Subject: Re: "Downsight"
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> > So we have final fortition=2C looking like final devoicing.  Are there
> > examples of it happening with /v=2C D=2C Z/ or /b=2C d=2C g/?  The only
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> > I'm familiar with are /z/ --> /s/=2C and it appears to be morphologically
> > restricted as well.  I don't hear "fleece" for "fleas" or /kars/ for
> > /ka:rz/.  Are there examples beyond the -ese suffix?
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> > On Sat=2C Dec 27=2C 2014 at 11:06 PM=2C Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
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> > > On Sat=2C Dec 27=2C 2014 at 10:40 PM=2C Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.
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> > > wrote:
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> > > > pronunciation of -ese words is a shortened vowel with a voiceless
> > > > consonant=2C which makes the consonant sound like a fortis instead
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>  a
> > > lenis.
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> > > That's the pronunciation that I use. The consonant sounds like a fortis
> > > because it *is* a fortis=2C in my idiolect=2C at least.
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> > > I was in my 50's=2C before I finally flashed on the phonolonical
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> > > of "heathen Chinee": a single member of the set=2C {heathen Chinee[z]}.
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