[Ads-l] Sentence-final though / tho / doe

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu Nov 6 15:00:23 UTC 2014


I think for both this and the utterance-final "but" Neal mentions, both of which I've heard a bunch and no doubt use myself, I'd transcribe it

"I was going to wash the car but it rained, so…"
"I like your idea, but…"

I agree the UF "though" is different, and I wouldn't use a comma and ellipsis there.

LH


On Nov 6, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

> I've been noticing the final "so" for years, maybe even a decade or more.
> 
> It's like an afterthought, as though the speaker thinks more could or
> should be said, but doesn't know what or why.
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> Maybe it encourages the interlocutor to suggest something.
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> Like, "so what?"
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> JL
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> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Neal Whitman <nwhitman at ameritech.net> wrote:
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>> One difference: sentence-final "but" connects the uttered thought with a
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>> er one that's left unexpressed, but sentence-final "though" connects it
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>> whatever was said previously.
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>> This reminds me that I've also seen a lot of sentence-final "so", with an
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>> expressed obvious consequence, like "and that's why I didn't do what I
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>> oned earlier." For example, "I was going to wash the car but it rained so."
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>>> On Nov 5, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Arnold Zwicky <zwicky at STANFORD.EDU> wrote:
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>>>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Neal Whitman <nwhitman at ameritech.net>
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>>>> Anyone have anything to say about sentence-final "though / tho /
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>>> not in my files.  vaguely reminiscent of a discussion of sentence-final
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>>> but/so/then initiated on the newsgroup sci.lang in 2006 by a poster =3D
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>>> Scottish, NZ, and Australian English (to which one poster added Hawaiian
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>>> Pidgin).
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