[Ads-l] Slang a la the NYT

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Tue Nov 11 21:30:04 UTC 2014


The *real* diehards call it "The War of the Rebellion."

Which used to be the official USG designation.

JL

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

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> On Nov 11, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> > Prescriptivists now prefer "Mexican-American War."
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> > Because the old version *could be interpreted,* by those inclined to =
> do so,
> > to mean that Mexico started it. Or could suggest that to innocent =
> minds.
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> > Cf. the diehard insistence on "The War Between the States."
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> > Which isn't accurate anyway because separate states weren't at war in =
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> > free-for-all:
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> well, more accurate than "The War Among the States", which really would =
> have been a free-for-all.
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> >  two nations were at war, one internationally recognized and
> > established, the other unrecognized but de facto.
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> > The diehards reject "Civil War" because, see, a "civil war" takes =
> place
> > *within* a nation.
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> And because it wasn't all that civil.
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> But don't the *real* diehards call it "The War of Northern Aggression"?
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> LH
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> > There's may be no limit to semantic paranoia.
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> > JL
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> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Mark Mandel <thnidu at gmail.com> =
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> >> At least your nitpick is substantive.
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> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> =
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> >>> Kory is a bright light from what I have seen and heard of her work =
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> >>> M-W (for whom I still freelance).
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> >>> I would not dismiss her or her work based on this common use.
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> >>> Dave Wilton is spot on re: the editorial review: It was my senior =
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> >>> at M-W who reviewed my letters to correspondents, pointed out my =
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> >>> things like "lay" for "lie" and "hopefully" that would set off
> >>> prescriptivists, and recommended that I should avoid them lest they =
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> >>> the reaction that y'all are demonstrating here.
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> >>> Yep, the lay/lie distinction is fading in the dialect. Deal with it.
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> >>> (And I just yesterday gave a local organization grief for a "during =
> the
> >>> Mexican War in 1945" typo on a poster. [Twice on the same poster, =
> 1945
> >>> for 1845.] So I can be just as nitpicky as another.)
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> >>> ---Amy West
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