[Ads-l] /d/ for flapped t

Tom Zurinskas truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Sat Nov 15 16:25:33 UTC 2014

I assume when one is talking about a "flapped t" they are not talking about a true "t" at all because that involves the tongue making a slight air dam in back of the upper teeth and letting it go with a bit of a pop and an aspiration.or hiss  .  These are usually done well at the beginning of a word for letter "t" but usually degenerate to a "d" sound (without the hiss) in the middle of a word and glottalized at the end of a word.  I just can't perceive the sound "d" being made by a flapped tongue tip.  I think the tongue does flap for a Spanish r as I try to say it.. 

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now FL 12.See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk


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> Poster:       W Brewer <brewerwa at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject:      Re: /d/ for flapped t
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> RE:  <OED's choice of /d/ for American flapped /t/>
> WB:  Seems to me, in <cathartic>, the <t> is not flapped, but is an
> unaspirated allophone of /t/, which, however, most people (without IPA
> training) will interpret as having a sound most associated with the
> letter <d>. It's the old phonemic conundrum:   We could spell <stop>
> (with de-aspirated /t/) or <sdop> (with devoiced /d/).  Reminds me of
> a time long, long ago, when a fellow I knew used to pronounce
> <supposed to> as [ZBOZE-duh] from [SPOZE-tuh] from [suh-PhOZE-tuh].
> Conclusion:  OED has yielded to the American impression of unaspirated
> /t/ as feeling most like the letter <d> (cf. APA <D> for flap).
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