[Ads-l] /d/ for flapped /t/

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat Nov 15 16:45:02 UTC 2014


On Nov 15, 2014, at 3:12 AM, Paul A Johnston, Jr. wrote:

> What I see here is this, the old Bloomfieldian argument for archiphonemes:

Hmm.  I associate archiphonemes with Prague School phonology, back when "phonology" itself was were a dirty word for (post-)Bloomfieldian "phonemics", and that the archiphoneme in particular was anathema.  The slogan of the day was "once a phoneme, always a phoneme", whence no archiphonemes.  I heard about this back when I was a wee lad, so I may be misremembering, or rendering unto Bloomfield the things that are the post-Bloomfieldians'.  I have my Bloomfield _Language_ and my Joos reader around somewhere so I could look it up, but I probably won't.

LH 



> the distinction between /d/ and /t/ is neutralized under the flap intervocalically, so people can perceive it as a /d/ just as easily as they can as a /t/.  To my ear, the flap is too fast to be a true voiced stop.  I can produce a true /d/ intervocalically, but it does not sound like anything I (or other Americans)would use in everyday connected discourse.  Maybe if one had to ("I said LADDER, not LATTER.")  Otherwise, there's no difference in the consonant; any difference has to do with the allophony of the vowels before it.  I have [aI] in writer, but [AI] in rider, for instance.
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> And yet...I lived in Scotland, where, even among speakers who have approximants for /r/ in other positions, intervocalic /r/ is nearly always a flap, and yet. it sounded slightly different from my flapped /t/.  It sounded more "/r/-like", though I can't pin down what exactly that means.  It was probably my American English brain imposing a perception of difference.  I'd have to get the instruments out on that one. 
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