[Ads-l] "All art is propaganda."

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Tue Nov 18 16:28:12 UTC 2014


No editor is mentioned in February or March. W. B. McCormick writes "Notes
of the
Studies and Galleries" in March 1918 though. I agree there is no clear
attribution.

DanG

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> > So do we credit the phrase to Guy Pene du Bois?
>
> The statement in 1918 might be labeled a precursor or an actual
> instance of the saying. Entries on QI sometimes trace evolving sayings
> without definitive demarcations.
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> As to who wrote it. That's an excellent hypothesis, Dan. Guy Pene du
> Bois was the editor of Arts & Decoration and wrote many signed
> articles. His initials G.P.B are appended to the column "Notes of the
> Studies and Galleries" for January 1918
>
> But I do not see any name clearly attached to the "Notes of the
> Studies and Galleries" column of February 1918 that included the
> target quotation.
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> Garson
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> > DanG
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> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
> > adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Here is a precursor to Upton Sinclair's statement in 1918 expressed
> >> tentatively instead of emphatically.
> >>
> >> Issue Date: February 1918
> >> Periodical: Arts & Decoration
> >> Article: Notes of the Studies and Galleries,
> >> Star Page 165, Quote Page 165,
> >> Publisher: Dexter W. Hewitt at Adam Budge, Inc.
> >> Database: Google Books Full View
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> http://books.google.com/books?id=hhbnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22if+all+art%22#v=snippet&
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> >> [Begin excerpt]
> >> Yet we sometimes wonder if all art is not propaganda--political or
> >> spiritual and always egotistic.
> >> [End excerpt]
> >>
> >> Garson
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> >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter
> >> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > That occurred to me too, but I don't see a ref. in GB or Hathi.
> >> >
> >> > Prob. Marx said something more prolix.
> >> >
> >> > JL
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> >> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net>
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> >> >> At 11/15/2014 04:57 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Not in YBQ, but it gets 30,000 raw Googlits.  I recently read it in
> a
> >> >> movie
> >> >> >review.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >1925 Upton Sinclair _Mammonart_ (Pasadena: pub. by the author) 9:
> All
> >> art
> >> >> >is propaganda. It is universally and inescapably propaganda;
> sometimes
> >> >> >unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Rather a dilute meaning of "propaganda," wouldn't you say? The
> relevant
> >> >> OED
> >> >> >def. is
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"The systematic dissemination of information, esp. in a biased or
> >> >> >misleading way, in order to promote a political cause or point of
> view.
> >> >> >Also: information disseminated in this way; the means or media by
> which
> >> >> >such ideas are disseminated."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sinclair seems to mean rather that all art exerts some influence on
> >> >> >beliefs, willy-nilly.  As dothose who repeat the assertion (usu.
> >> without
> >> >> >attribution).
> >> >>
> >> >> Sinclair was a utopian, left-wing, progressive Democrat, Socialist,
> >> >> Wobbly-supporting pinko, wasn't he?  "All art is propaganda" is
> >> >> something I could imagine said by Karl Marx.
> >> >>
> >> >> Joel
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Factoid:  Wackipedia calls the book-length essay _Mammonart_ a
> "novel."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >JL
> >> >> >
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