[Ads-l] ridley (sea turtle) antedated to 1885

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Tue Aug 18 16:48:35 UTC 2015


I doubt this is relevant, but there is a nautical term, fidley, meaning the
space or deck above a boiler or engine, that is also of unknown etymology.
On Aug 18, 2015 11:46 AM, "Stephen Goranson" <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:

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> Subject:      ridley (sea turtle) antedated to 1885
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> OED has it from 1897 "Etymology:  Origin unknown.
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> Various suggestions have been made about the etymology of the name, but
> non=
> e seems convincing. For a full discussion see H. A. Dundee in Marine
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>  Newsletter 58 (1992) 10-2."
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> The text below fits with the so-far know local use in South Florida (and
> th=
> e Bahamas). It may be early enough to further discount the proposal that
> it=
>  was named after H. N. Ridley, who has no clear connection to this turtle
> o=
> r its area. It does not prove another proposal, but does not contradict
> the=
>  proposal that this turtle, sometimes locally called the "bastard turtle"
> m=
> ight be a local development from riddle (to riddler?) to ridley,
> supposedly=
>  from it's uncertain parentage, locally supposed crossbreed between
> loggerh=
> ead and green turtles (as reported in the article cited by Dundee, "The
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> mological Riddle of the Ridley Sea Turtle" [1]). The name here is not
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> alized.
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> Since the article, Pegging Turtles," is freely available online, I won't
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> ote extensively.  Thursday, May 7, 1885 p. 9 col. 1-2, here col. 2, The
> Yaz=
> oo Sentinel (Yazoo City, Miss.).
> "....We pegged a ridley, or yellow turtle ten minutes later. This was
> estim=
> ated to weigh 350 pounds....We let the ridley go after extracting the
> 'peg'=
> ...."
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> http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn87065683/1885-05-07/ed-1/seq-9/#da=
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> Stephen Goranson
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> [1] http://www.seaturtle.org/mtn/archives/mtn58/mtn58p10b.shtml
> <http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/>
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