[Ads-l] "cup of joe"

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Sat Aug 29 16:07:05 UTC 2015

I doubt that many sailors or marines would even have known of Daniels'
official extra allowance of java (the usual WW1 synonym).  There'd either
be more coffee or there wouldn't.

And "Joe" was capitalized simply because "Joe" was a proper name.

There seems to be no evidence suggesting that the confluence of "Joe" and
Josephus Daniels' alcohol policy is any more than a coincidence - which is
what the weight of the evidence says to me it is.

Cf., perhaps, the former certainty that "O.K." stood for "Old Kinderhook."
At least we know that that pair was simultaneously current.


On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>

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> 1) Maybe it's a... blend.
> 2) Joe is capitalized in Ben's 1928 cite.
> 3) Someone once characterized much of Navy life to me as often "hurry up
> an=
> d wait"--while drinking coffee.
> 4) Though many have commented on the order by Josephus Daniels limiting
> acc=
> ess in the Navy to alcohol, it may not usually have been observed, in this
> =
> context, that Josephus Daniels also specifically requested from Congress
> in=
>  May, 1917 that those on watch duty be provided with an extra allowance of
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> coffee.
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