[Ads-l] When is a grate not a grate?

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Fri Jan 23 01:06:55 UTC 2015


This seems to a consistent usage in NYC, calling the metal doors in the
sidewalk leading to the cellar a 'grate'.

I suspect this relates to older uses of "cellar grate" that refer to an
actual grate, but it is tough to verify.
On Jan 22, 2015 8:01 PM, "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> At 1/22/2015 02:13 PM, Laurence Horn wrote:
> >On Jan 22, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
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> > > The source story has a photo of the metal cover which does not
> > look like a grate:
> >
> >True.  Looks rather more like a hole--not so grate.
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> Fell through the hole left behind by the grate that went missing?
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> Joel
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> > > Benjamin Barrett
> > > Formerly of Seattle, WA
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> > > Lean Ainu!
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> > >> Dan Goncharoff <mailto:thegonch at GMAIL.COM>
> > >> January 22, 2015 at 8:27 AM
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> > >> There was a recent news report about a man who "Falls To His Death
> Through
> > >> Sidewalk Cellar Grate".
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> > >> As the story later reports, however, he fell doors, not a grate.
> > A grate is
> > >> a lattice, not solid.
> > >>
> > >> What am I missing?
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> > >> DanG
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