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Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Sat Jan 31 14:32:32 UTC 2015


I find it fascinating that language scholars find the sentence fascinating.

To me the sentence is a funny mix of German and English syntax, with the
added twist of inconsistency in English on pronoun usage.

I would say "more people have been to Russia than just me." A German wants
to put the verb at the end of the sentence, but you can't say 'me have' in
English, so it becomes 'I have', which has the benefit (to a German) of
correcting the pronoun.

It's wrong, but I see the route taken to get there.
 On Jan 30, 2015 11:56 PM, "Laurence Horn" <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:

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> I had always thought that (the been-to-Russia pseudo-comparative, not =
> Wilson's mind-boggler) was a Barbara Partee example originally, but I =
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> On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:01 PM, Galen Buttitta wrote:
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> > Reminds me of something that I think Jeff Punske said: "More people =
> have been to Russia than I have", although that was an intentional turn =
> of phrase to illustrate something about syntax, I think.
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> >> On Jan 30, 2015, at 22:26, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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