[Ads-l] Possible area for JAZZ antedating

Shapiro, Fred fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU
Sat Jul 4 12:37:22 UTC 2015

In addition to San Francisco and Chicago, I believe the evidence for the word "jazz" from San Antonio and Indianapolis also predates that for New Orleans.

Fred Shapiro

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Assuming that the research area Dave is suggesting involves the word "jazz" (as opposed to musical developments under other names), it should be emphasized that there is considerable evidence that the word developed in San Francisco and Chicago rather than in New Orleans.

Fred Shapiro

From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf of Dave Hause [dwhause at CABLEMO.NET]
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Subject: Possible area for JAZZ antedating

A random discovery that could lead to unexplored areas for those interested.
The excerpt below is about 2/3 of the way down the page and I think this may
be a little earlier than some of the posters here have mentioned.
Dave Hause


"The 1888 city directory listed a Rising Sons of Liberty Hall on the east
side of Valence Street between Camp and Chestnut Streets. It does not appear
in the 1889 directory but is listed from 1890 to 1897 as the Rising Sons of
Liberty Benevolent Association (colored). It is listed from 1901 to 1903 as
the Rising Sun Hall, 1019 Valence Street with no further mentions after

"Also from 1890 to 1897 is listed the Rising Sun Hall on Clinton Street
between DeArmas and Macarty Streets in the 7th District, not to be confused
with the previous one. Across the street on the same block was the Morning
Star Society Hall from 1885 to 1894. The street names changed in 1895 to
1897 and an address is given – 258 Cherokee between Mississippi and Macarty

"These halls were benevolent association halls and at the height of their
popularity around the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th
centuries. They were the birthplaces of the new music of the time called

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