[Ads-l] factoid or foolishness?

Joel Berson berson at ATT.NET
Wed Jul 8 00:10:21 UTC 2015


Ies (acknowledging Geoffrey Nathan's coining), J's are mixed in with the I's, even in Johnson's Dictionary.  See OED, "J. n.", Etymology:

"Dr. Johnson, indeed, under the letter I, says ‘I is in English considered both as a vowel and consonant; though, since the vowel and consonant differ in their form as well as sound, they may be more properly accounted two letters’. Nevertheless, he proceeds to treat them practically as one, his first word I being followed by Jabber; Jam by Iambick, and this by Jangle; while the three last words of I are Juxtaposition, Ivy, Jymold."

(Meseems the OED itself writes somewhat like the Doctor.)

Noah Webster separated I and J by 1832 (GBooks), and likely earlier.


Joel
 
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Where are John, Jacob, Joseph, Jeremiah, et cetera????  They must have been
mixed in with the I's.  The Huffington Post is not the highest source in
this dictionary house.

DKB
(Lexik House)

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"No J, No Jesus!"

It's that simple.

JL

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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> > On Jul 7, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
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> > I vote for "error".  The Bible of Bibles, BibleGateway.com, proves =
> there are 942 occurrences of "Jesus" in the King James Version.
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> Well, there are none in the Old Testament, I'd wager, so we can = 
> project...oh, nevermind.
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> > P.S.  If there's a runoff poll, I vote for "foolishness."
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> > "The King James Version would make its debut in the year of 1611 =
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> > the letter J existed, so the name 'Jesus' did not appear once)."
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