[Ads-l] Yale Grammatical Diversity Project - Slate

Benjamin Barrett gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM
Tue Jun 30 16:04:23 UTC 2015

Perhaps it was intended as an exercise on grammatical diversity. BB

> Joel Berson <mailto:berson at ATT.NET>
> June 30, 2015 at 6:51 AM
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> It came out that way to me, although I too had to decode it and had a momen=
> t of difficulty with the "or just wrong".
> Joel
>        From: Laurence Horn<laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
>   Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 11:50 PM
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>> On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:22 PM, Wilson Gray<hwgray at gmail.com>  wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Laurence Horn<laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>> wrote:
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>>> "nascent"
>> =20
>> =20
>> Actually, that struck me as a hip way to put it, abstracting away from th=
> e
>> e.g.-ed group. Consider the that bit of Facebookery that I posted:
>> =20
>> "More transgender representation and direct voices in this matter _is_
>> critical."
>> =20
>> The government of the number of the verb according as the number of the
>> number of the nearest nominal preceding the verb instead of according as
>> the number of the subject NP is certainly a feature of contemporary Engli=
> sh
>> that's a-borning.
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>> You see it everywhere.
>> =20
>> On the other hand, the blurb does seem to say that a hearer may base his
>> judgment of the worth of a variety of speech on his emotional response to
>> its, e.g. Appalachian speakers and then it proceeds to say that it's not
>> the speakers, but their speech, full of patterns unfamiliar to the hearer=
> ,
>> which is the source of problems. Or is it the case that the blurb is sayi=
> ng
>> that the emotional response to the speakers is triggered by their apparen=
> t
>> misuse of the language and not by their non-standard personal aspect. Or
>> something.
> Well, it shouldn't have said that; the idea is that we consider unfamiliar =
> patterns either quaint (the British "They didn't leave but they should have=
>   done") or reprehensible and "illiterate" (black speakers, Appalachian/sout=
> hern white speakers) depending on our attitude toward the social group, not=
>   on our attitude toward the specific construction, but I suppose it's not s=
> urprising if it didn't come out that way.=C2=A0=20
> LH

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