[Ads-l] "ultracrepidate" and "anti-ultracrepidationism" & the OED

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Mon Mar 2 00:54:47 UTC 2015


Why has _ultra_ replaced _supra_?

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at GMAIL.COM> =
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> > I wonder ... Did Mary Norris reinvent "ultracrepidate" and the =
> associated
> > noun form? There was no Latin word "crepidare". The more common =
> adjectival
> > form is "ultracrepidarian". It comes from the saying ne supra crepidam
> > sutor judicare =E2=80=98let the cobbler not judge above the sandal=E2=80=
> =99, or in
> > Brooklynese, mind your own business.
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> An early version of recusing yourself from whatever you deem to be above =
> your pay grade? (And those sandals are nice and low.)
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> LH
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> > This is the second question I have about this fabulous piece of =
> writing.
> > On Feb 28, 2015 2:40 PM, "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> >> There is a fancy word for "going beyond your province":
> >> "ultracrepidate." So much of copy editing is about not going beyond
> >> your province. Anti-ultracrepidationism. Writers might think we're
> >> applying rules and sticking it to their prose in order to make it fit
> >> some standard, but just as often we're backing off, making
> >> exceptions, or at least trying to find a balance between doing too
> >> much and doing too little.
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> >> 2015 Mary Norris in The New Yorker Feb 23; see
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> >> "ultracrepidate" postdates OED2  --1882.
> >> "anti-ultracrepidationism" not in OED3
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