[Ads-l] False attribution for "If you are depressed, ..." (Zen comment, too)

Jeff Prucher 000000b93183dc86-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Thu Mar 19 04:34:16 UTC 2015


On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 3:47 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM> wrote:


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>There is a partial match for the quotation in a journal called Voices.
>The year is probably in the range 1977-1979. There is no attribution
>visible in the snippets.
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>The lines excerpted below seem to be part of a poem or quasi-poem
>because the phrase "SECOND VERSE" appears a few lines after the
>excerpt. Thw lines seem to be adages about psychotherapy.
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>Journal: Voices
>Volume: 12, 13, or 14
>Year: 1977, 1978, or 1979
>Quote Page 83
>(Google Books snippet view; data may be inaccurate; volumes 12, 13,
>and 14 are visible in snippets; catalog shows years corresponding to

>volumes; years are also visible in snippets)


HathiTrust has Voices, but in search-only mode, not full text. However, it does give a match for the phrase "Living in the past is depression" on p. 83 in "Voices v.12:4-v.14 (winter 1976-." which might narrow it down a bit.


Interestingly, GBooks doesn't show me "second verse" in its snippets. It cuts off after "about".

Jeff



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>[Begin excerpt]
>The only effective psychotherapy is done for money.
>Anger is just depression turned outward.
>Living in the past is depression; living in the future is anxiety;
>living in the present is living in the present.
>If realists are not depressed, does this tell you something about
>psychotherapists?
>[End excerpt]
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>Garson
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>On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com> wr=
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>> I think that's a Zen thing--or perhaps a Ch=E1n thing :) BB
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>>> Jonathan Lighter <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>> March 16, 2015 at 7:27 AM
>>> It doesn't even make sense.  When I live in the future, I'm anxious *and=
>*
>>> depressed. When I live in the present, I'm distracted or confused. When =
>I
>>> live in the past, then I'm at peace.
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>>> JL
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>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Benjamin Barrett<gogaku at ix.netcom.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> Subject:      False attribution for "If you are depressed, ..." (Zen
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>>>> I just saw the following on Facebook:
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>>>> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CIf you are depressed you are living in the past. If you =
>are anxi=3D
>>> ous you
>>>> are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the
>>>> present. - Lao Tzu"
>>>>
>>>> Among the webpages debunking this citation is
>>>> http://ianchadwick.com/blog/poor-lao-tzu-he-gets-blamed-for-so-much/,
>>>> written by Ian Chadwick on October 9, 2013. I gave up trying to find an
>>>> earliest citation for this; the Internet is filled with this quote and
>>>> Google is filled with incorrect date hits.
>>>>
>>>> This claim is not only in English; it can be found in Portuguese. The
>>>> earliest I find is 15 April 2012 at http://blogdojj.com.br/tag/passado/=
>.
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>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D
>>>> "Se voc=3DC3=3DAA est=3DC3=3DA1 deprimido,
>>>> Voc=3DC3=3DAA est=3DC3=3DA1 vivendo no passado:
>>>> se voc=3DC3=3DAA est=3DC3=3DA1 ansioso,
>>>> Voc=3DC3=3DAA est=3DC3=3DA1 vivendo no futuro:
>>>> Se voc=3DC3=3DAA est=3DC3=3DA1 em paz voc=3DC3=3DAA est=3DC3=3DA1 viven=
>do
>>>> no presente."
>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D
>>>>
>>>> In August 2012, http://oquevocegosta.blogspot.com/2012/08/lao-tzu.html
>>>> has this exact Portuguese wording, but--despite the Lao Tzu
>>>> URL--attributes it to Junia Bretas. This attribution is echoed at
>>>> http://www.wisdomcommons.org/wisbits/4785-if-you-are-depressed-you-are.
>>>> I do not find it on her website at http://www.juniabretas.info/. Her
>>>> book, "Lideran=3DC3=3DA7a Estrat=3DC3=3DA9gica" is shown at
>>>> http://www.juniabretas.info/#!livros/c18tj but cannot be searched.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, this quote is tagged as "Zen" at
>>>> http://www.movemequotes.com/tag/anxiety/.
>>>>
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