[Ads-l] hypercorrect pluralization of attributives

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sun Mar 29 14:14:22 UTC 2015


Well, there's certainly the pattern of "craftsman", "sportswriter", etc. But "movie industry" and "aircraft industry" are well enough established (especially the former) to lead to the expectation that the plural version would be blocked.  In fact, "aircrafts industry" might suggest a company that produces model airplanes.  (I'd probably use "crafts industry" to describe a large company that manufactures potholders, loom loopers, lanyards, and the like--as in "crafts fairs".)  

LH

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Joe Salmons <jsalmons at WISC.EDU> wrote:
> 
> Some of these (not ‘Houthis rebels, I imagine) seem like they’re on the way to being compounds or maybe are compounds. In some languages, you get plurals there, like German Bücherregal ‘books-shelf’. Any chance there’s a chance afoot in compounding strategies?
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>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
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>> Why (in the subject line) hyper- and not (if you'll pardon the =
>> expression) in-?  Or, to be more polite, hypocorrect? Is there a =
>> prestige form the innovators below are aiming to reach or overreach?
>> 
>> LH
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> =
>> wrote:
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>>> CNN is talking about "the Houthis rebels."
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>>> I've recently heard "the movies industry."
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>>> Plus (I hope you're sitting down) "the aircrafts industry."
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>>> JL
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>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Laurence Horn =
>> <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> At 9:29 AM -0700 3/30/09, Arnold Zwicky wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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>>>>> =20
>>>>>> At 3/30/2009 09:40 AM, Arnold Zwicky wrote:
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>>>>>>> not ridiculous or incorrect, much less hypercorrect.  *the name of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dice game* is "craps".  you "shoot craps".  "crap game" would be
>>>>>>> absurd, like "jack game", "measle infection", etc.
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>>>>>>> see the OED entry for "craps".  of obscure origin (not obviously
>>>>>>> related to "crap" 'feces'),
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> But, as I learned, the OED also has "crap" and "crap game".
>>>>> =20
>>>>> ack.  i somehow missed that.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> i would interpret "crap game" as a re-shaping of "craps game",
>>>>> accommodating the expression to the usual pattern for N-N compounds.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> i'm starting to find more such re-shapings.  i get small numbers of
>>>>> hits for {"measle infection"} and {"mump infection"}, for instance.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> meanwhile, Joel Berson has pointed out to me that the OED has an =
>> entry
>>>>> for "eave", back-formed from "eaves", with citations from 1789.  the =
>> -
>>>>> s of "eaves" was not originally a mark of the plural, but in modern
>>>>> english the word is standardly plural in its syntax, and that led to
>>>>> the creation of a singular "eave".
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>>>> A case of "eaves" dropping, then.  And a nice addition to the
>>>> "kudo(s)", "pea(s(e))" stock.
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>>>> LH
>>>> =20
>>>>> though many sources (like CGEL)
>>>>> treat "eaves" as invariably plural, back-formed "eave" turns out to =
>> be
>>>>> pretty frequent these days; a google search on {"to the eave"} =
>> turned
>>>>> up plenty of examples -- many of them with "eave" as the first =
>> element
>>>>> in a N-N compound (like "eave strut"), but many of them not.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> arnold
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