[Ads-l] a good one that Fred has missed

Charles C Doyle cdoyle at UGA.EDU
Wed Oct 7 11:44:08 UTC 2015


Hey, y'all--

Just for the record:  _The Dictionary of Modern Proverbs_ was a collaborative project, originally conceived by Fred.  The "acknowledgments" page [vii] mentions the compilers' indebtedness to Garson, Barry, Jon, Ben, Victor, Bill, and others.

All of us who do this sort of historical research perch on the shoulders of giants and walk alongside other, collegial giants.  And now the allegory is hopelessly muddled . . . .

--Charlie

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I don't want to suggest by the posting below that the Dictionary of Modern =
Proverbs was "my" book.  The "rule of holes" citations in the book, and abo=
ut 95% of whatever is worthwhile in the book, are attributable to Charlie D=
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Why do you say Fred has missed this?  It's in the Dictionary of Modern Prov=
erbs.  I tend to doubt that this was really a Healyism.  The DMP cites the =
Wall Street Journal describing "the rule of holes" in 1977, and it also cit=
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A very long obituary in today's NYTimes of Denis Healy, an English=0A=
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Lord Healey used humor to make precise points, but his most famous line=0A=
described all too many situations. What he called =93Healey=92s First Law o=
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Holes=94 advises, =93When in one, stop digging.=94=0A=
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George A. Thompson=0A=
The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.=0A=
Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern=0A=
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