[Ads-l] "young guns" and "young 'uns"

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Tue Oct 13 18:04:58 UTC 2015


Young Guns
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Young Guns may refer to:
Film
Young Guns (film), a 1988 action/western film
Young Guns II, the 1990 sequel to the film
Young Guns of Texas, a 1962 western film
The Young Guns (film), a 1956 western film directed by Albert Band
Music
Young Guns (band), a British alternative rock band
Young Guns (Go for It), a 1982 song by Wham!
Young Guns (song), a 2011 song by Lewi White

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com> wrote:

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> OED added "young gun" in the June 2015 update, with three senses:
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> 1. A small gun, a pistol. Now rare. (1822)
> 2. A young person who uses a gun; (also) a person who is inexperienced
> in the use of guns. (1844)
> 3. colloq. An assertive or ambitious young person, esp. within a
> particular organization or institution. (1929)
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> The 1929 cite for sense 3 is:
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> 1929   Steubenville (Ohio) Herald-Star 28 Dec. 6/5   You can just hear
> the young guns gab.
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> Further context:
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> http://newspaperarchive.com/us/ohio/steubenville/steubenville-herald-star/1929/12-28/page-6
> "One of the funny things about modern dances is that it takes at least
> two orchestras, and sometimes three, to play for one dance. And we old
> ones can remember the day when the orchestra played an encore or two
> and then everybody retired to the sidelines to chat. Ye fishes, chat!
> You can just hear the young guns gab about anything so funny as that.
> And when someone spiked the punch."
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> It strikes me that "young guns" here is simply a variant of "young
> 'uns," rather than having anything do with metaphoric/metonymic guns.
> Given that "young 'un" has often been spelled as one word, "youngun,"
> it doesn't seem like a big leap to "young gun." (It wouldn't even
> require a Long Guyland accent, though that would help.)
>
> Wiktionary ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/young_gun ) suggests that
> "young gun" might have originated as a play on "young 'un," but I
> don't see that mentioned as a possibility elsewhere. I think the
> current "assertive or ambitious" sense likely emerged from earlier
> pistol-packing usage, but the 1929 cite just doesn't seem to fit in
> that lineage. Thoughts?
>
> --bgz
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