[Ads-l] "slave"

Wed Aug 31 20:16:09 UTC 2016

And check this out for the hell of it:

https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Spangled_Banner

JL

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> > On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
> >
> > Many if not most enslaved blacks, as well as free blacks, did consider
> themselves Americans.    They wanted to stay, and to succeed, in in the
> United States.  Witness the failure of the ante-bellum "colonization
> movement", aimed at solving racial problems by inducing blacks to remove
> back to Africa, and thus making America all-white.  Few blacks supported it.
> >
> > The earliest (current) quotation in the OED for "African-American" is
> from what I take to be the writing of a black, near the end of the
> Revolution.  The author is proud to call himself an African-American, and
> praises the Revolution:
> >
> > 1782   ‘An African American’ Serm. on Capture Ld. Cornwallis p. iii,
>  That the ruler of the universe may crown with success the cause of
> freedom, and speedily relieve your bleeding country, is the hearty wish of
> an African American.
> >
>
> Thanks, Joel.  I should have checked.
>
> > (Thee problem with an analogy with "Chinese" is that it is a "racial"
> characterization as well as ethnic or political.)
> >
> >
> Well, maybe so, but if I were shanghaied (or brusseled) by a colleague of
> F.K.'s kidnapper and transported overseas to Belgium and were bound and
> forced to work in a chocolate factory, I wouldn't consider myself Belgian
> either.
>
> LH
> >
> >      From: Flourish Klink <flourish.klink at GMAIL.COM>
> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ADS-L] "slave"
> >
> > Separate from the historical perspective, I would be shocked if the
> > enslaved people in question considered themselves Americans. (If someone
> > kidnapped me, transported me overseas to China and set me to work in a
> > factory, I certainly wouldn't consider myself Chinese!)
> >
> > F
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:02 AM Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Sali,
> >>
> >> Do you consider 1814, when "The Star-Spangled Banner" was written, as
> >> being during the colonial period of the US?  A very Anglo-philic stance,
> >> just what the British were still believing then?  :-)  I would say there
> >> were "enslaved African-Americans" in 1814.
> >>
> >> Joel
> >>
> >>
> >>       From: Salikoko S. Mufwene <s-mufwene at UCHICAGO.EDU>
> >>   To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>   Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:51 AM
> >>   Subject: Re: [ADS-L] "slave"
> >>
> >> Just a minor correction, JL. From a historical perspective, there were
> >> enslaved Africans, not enslaved African Americans during the colonial
> >> history of the US or of the 13 English colonies. During that time the
> >> class of Americans was very restricted, even some Europeans did not
> >> count as Americans.
> >>
> >> Sali.
> >>
> >> On 8/31/2016 7:06 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >>> Former tennis star James Blake has explained to CNN that "The
> >> Star-Spangled
> >>> Banner" is "a song that advocates the killing of slaves."
> >>>
> >>> The "hireling and slave" in the song, of course, are not enslaved
> >>> African-Americans but redcoats, Hessian mercenaries, and cringing
> Tories.
> >>>
> >>> Proof? Read the lyrics.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, as D----d T---p has demonstrated, words don't mean much
> >> anymore.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> JL
> >>>
> >>
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