[Ads-l] almond

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu May 26 20:50:01 EDT 2016


> On May 26, 2016, at 7:04 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> wrote:
> 
> "i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic Vowels,
> with ah perceived as foreign"
> 
> "Patriotic Vowels" isn't in the recently-revised "P" section of the OED.
> 
> Will Arnold's message be the earliest recorded instance?
> 
> GAT

I wonder, though.  "Pasta" for example gets an Italianate /a/ Stateside but an /ae/ in the U.K., and IIRC there are other examples.  Who's patriotic now?

LH
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> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky <zwicky at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
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>>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Joan Hall <jdhall at WISC.EDU> wrote:
>>> 
>>> DARE says that pronunciations with an "open o" and no "l" are
>> "infrequent. It also shows that pronunciations with an ash are especially
>> frequent in California, where they are grown.
>> 
>> i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic Vowels,
>> with ah perceived as foreign --  in particular, British, or more
>> significantly, (Mexican) Spanish in areas where there are significant
>> numbers of such speakers (who are popularly categorized as foreigners, no
>> matter how long they've been residents, even unto 150 years).  lots of this
>> in place names: Colorado, Nevada, Los Gatos, Los Altos, Palo Alto, etc.).
>> 
>> the idea is that "almond" with ah is Mexican, while ash is Real American.
>> 
>> arnold
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