[Ads-l] almond

Geoffrey Steven Nathan geoffnathan at WAYNE.EDU
Fri May 27 05:54:48 EDT 2016


The /ae/ pronunciation is found in Canada as well, surprisingly, and there are other 'patriotic vowel' cases there too, similar to the ones found in GB. I agree that it's up for grabs who's showing their 'patriotism' vs. who's showing their 'sophistication'.

There's another sophistication phoneme that we've discussed extensively on this list (while we're coining new sociolinguistic terms I might as well claim mine..), namely /zh/ in place of /dzh/ in things like Beijing and Di Giorno.

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> On May 26, 2016, at 7:04 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> =
wrote:
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> "i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
Vowels,
> with ah perceived as foreign"
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> "Patriotic Vowels" isn't in the recently-revised "P" section of the =
OED.
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> Will Arnold's message be the earliest recorded instance?
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> GAT

I wonder, though.  "Pasta" for example gets an Italianate /a/ Stateside =
but an /ae/ in the U.K., and IIRC there are other examples.  Who's =
patriotic now?

LH
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> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky =
<zwicky at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
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>>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Joan Hall <jdhall at WISC.EDU> wrote:
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>>> DARE says that pronunciations with an "open o" and no "l" are
>> "infrequent. It also shows that pronunciations with an ash are =
especially
>> frequent in California, where they are grown.
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>> i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
Vowels,
>> with ah perceived as foreign --  in particular, British, or more
>> significantly, (Mexican) Spanish in areas where there are significant
>> numbers of such speakers (who are popularly categorized as =
foreigners, no
>> matter how long they've been residents, even unto 150 years).  lots =
of this
>> in place names: Colorado, Nevada, Los Gatos, Los Altos, Palo Alto, =
etc.).
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>> the idea is that "almond" with ah is Mexican, while ash is Real =
American.
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