[Ads-l] almond

Ben Zimmer bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM
Fri May 27 15:56:53 EDT 2016


Termed "hyperforeignism" in this entertaining article:

Janda, Richard D., Brian D. Joseph, & Neil G. Jacobs. 1994. Systematic
Hyperforeignisms
as Maximally External Evidence for Linguistic Rules. In _The Reality of
Linguistic Rules_, edited by Susan Lima, Roberta Corrigan & Gregory K.
Iverson, 67-92. Amsterdam: John Benjamins.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ONBwptTmCfIC&pg=PA67


On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 5:54 AM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <
geoffnathan at wayne.edu> wrote:

> The /ae/ pronunciation is found in Canada as well, surprisingly, and there
> are other 'patriotic vowel' cases there too, similar to the ones found in
> GB. I agree that it's up for grabs who's showing their 'patriotism' vs.
> who's showing their 'sophistication'.
>
> There's another sophistication phoneme that we've discussed extensively on
> this list (while we're coining new sociolinguistic terms I might as well
> claim mine..), namely /zh/ in place of /dzh/ in things like Beijing and Di
> Giorno.
>
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> > On May 26, 2016, at 7:04 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> =
> wrote:
> >=20
> > "i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
> Vowels,
> > with ah perceived as foreign"
> >=20
> > "Patriotic Vowels" isn't in the recently-revised "P" section of the =
> OED.
> >=20
> > Will Arnold's message be the earliest recorded instance?
> >=20
> > GAT
>
> I wonder, though.  "Pasta" for example gets an Italianate /a/ Stateside =
> but an /ae/ in the U.K., and IIRC there are other examples.  Who's =
> patriotic now?
>
> LH
> >=20
> >=20
> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky =
> <zwicky at stanford.edu>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> >>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Joan Hall <jdhall at WISC.EDU> wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>> DARE says that pronunciations with an "open o" and no "l" are
> >> "infrequent. It also shows that pronunciations with an ash are =
> especially
> >> frequent in California, where they are grown.
> >>=20
> >> i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
> Vowels,
> >> with ah perceived as foreign --  in particular, British, or more
> >> significantly, (Mexican) Spanish in areas where there are significant
> >> numbers of such speakers (who are popularly categorized as =
> foreigners, no
> >> matter how long they've been residents, even unto 150 years).  lots =
> of this
> >> in place names: Colorado, Nevada, Los Gatos, Los Altos, Palo Alto, =
> etc.).
> >>=20
> >> the idea is that "almond" with ah is Mexican, while ash is Real =
> American.
> >>=20
>
>

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