[Ads-l] melodicas and bazookas

Robin Hamilton robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM
Fri Nov 4 19:58:54 EDT 2016


Defo distinct for me, so I'm hairier than thou.

So for you, all cats are people, as you wouldn't distinguish between a person
and a purr's son?

per/peer/pour/poor/par/pair/purr/pure/pyre/pyrric -- I *think* I hit all ten
bases.

The Real McFerson

> 
>     On 04 November 2016 at 18:52 Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
> 
> 
>     > On Nov 4, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Robin Hamilton
>     > <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM> wrote:
>     >
>     > I'd pronounce "fear" as a diphthong too, I think.
>     >
>     > But interestingly, when I was searching for minimal pairs where I'd
>     > pronounce
>     > the vowel differently (at least, inside my head -- a tape-recorder might
>     > beg to
>     > differ, which is one among several reasons why I was always rotten at
>     > phonetics), I came up with peer/pier vs. pair/pare, and purse vs. parze,
>     > but for
>     > the life of me, the best I could manage for a monosyllabic version of
>     > "-per" was
>     > the quasi-Latin "as per usual".
> 
>     What about "purr"? For me, "How much per?" (asked elliptically while
> holding up an orange at a fruit stand) and "How much purr?" (asked
> semi-grammatically while holding up a cat at a pet store) are pretty much
> homophonous.
> 
> 
>     >
>     > Does English only allow "per" as a bound prefix?
>     >
>     > Sort of why I thought "Merry Mary married hairy Harry" (a marriage made
>     > in hell)
>     > might be relevant to the issue.
>     >
>     > Robin
>     >
>     >>
>     >> On 04 November 2016 at 16:57 Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> FWIW, for me, the vowel in “McPherson” is a monophthong, but “fear” is
>     >> either disyllabic or the vowel is a diphthong. BB
>     >>
>     >>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 01:57, Robin Hamilton
>     >>> <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> In my idiolect, it rhymes with "person", not "purse on" or "fearsome".
>     >>>
>     >>> Are we into Mary's Marriage territory here?
>     >>>
>     >>> Robin
>     >>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I used to say "fur" because I saw a movie with a character named
>     >>>> "MacPherson" who was called "manFURson" by the other characters. But
>     >>>> it
>     >>>> seems to me that, in real life, most people say "macFEERson."
>     >>>>
>     >>
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