[Ads-l] Modern Proverb: Tie - like kissing your sister

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Sun Oct 2 15:37:33 EDT 2016


Now I see that Barry Popik examined "kiss without the squeeze" back in
2009 and found the same 1882 citation I just shared with the list.
Moral: Save time and effort by always checking Barry's website.

“An apple pie without the cheese is like a kiss without the squeeze”
Short link:  http://bit.ly/2djYfLE

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/an_apple_pie_without_the_cheese_is_like_a_kiss_without_the_squeeze

Garson

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> Charles C Doyle wrote:
>> The feeble _Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs_, edited by Jennifer Speake
>> and John Simpson (2008), p. 8, gives this saying from 1929--though I
>> doubt if it was ever a proverb!
>
> The apple-pie simile couplet was circulating in 1880, so, sadly, it
> does not qualify as modern based on the 1900 cut-off date of DMP.
>
> Year: 1882 (Preface dated: Christmas 1880)
> Book Title: Through America: Or, Nine Months in the United States
> Author: W. G. Marshall (Walter Gore Marshall)
> Publisher: Sampson Low, Marston, Searle, & Rivington, London
> Chapter 4: Wonderful Chicago
> Quote Page 99
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=QlITAAAAYAAJ&q=%22a+squeeze%22#v=snippet&
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> Our Transatlantic cousins are very fond of apple-pie. It is consumed
> to a large extent all over the country. Not raised apple-pie; but
> flat, and with a paste that is invariably very coarse and
> indigestible. You have a triangular-shaped slice put on your plate,
> and (in some parts of America) if you do not want to be singular you
> will eat it with a bit of cheese, Yorkshire fashion. As an American
> lady once graphically put it:
>
> "Apple-pie without cheese
> Is like a kiss without a squeeze."
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
>
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>>
>> A further variant (which I remember hearing but can't source):
>>
>> "Apple pie without cheese / is like a kiss without a squeeze."
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>>
>>>     On 02 October 2016 at 19:02 "Douglas G. Wilson" <douglas at NB.NET> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 10/1/2016 1:17 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole wrote:
>>>     > ...
>>>     >
>>>     > Below is the same simile in April 1892 applied to typewritten letters
>>>     > from sweethearts. This citation is a couple months before the one
>>>     > listed by Barry, but the ascription, acknowledgement, and text are the
>>>     > same.
>>>     >
>>>     > Date: April 3, 1892
>>>     > Newspaper: The Times
>>>     > Newspaper Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
>>>     > Article: Observations
>>>     > Acknowledgement: From Kate Field's Washington
>>>     > Quote Page 14, Column 5
>>>     >
>>>     > https://www.newspapers.com/image/52505724/?terms=kissing
>>>     >
>>>     > [Begin excerpt]
>>>     > Observations
>>>     > >From Kate Field's Washington
>>>     > Reading a typewritten letter from your sweetheart is like kissing your
>>>     > sister.
>>>     > [End excerpt]
>>>     --
>>>
>>>     Another analogous item, from Google Books, 1871:
>>>
>>>     <<Champagne without ice is like kissing one's sister-in-law -- it's
>>>     insipid.>>
>>>
>>>     ... apparently spoken by a female character in the novel "Not Wooed, But
>>>     Won".
>>>
>>>     -- Doug Wilson
>>>
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