[Ads-l] Urban legend? Or fact?

Robin Hamilton robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM
Thu Oct 6 11:04:57 EDT 2016


I go for two syllables when I use it as a noun ("best beloved", as in the
Kipling _Just So_ stories, whether or not that was the way he pronounced it --
from the Arabian Nights originally?) and three when it's an adjective ("beloved
friend").

[But whether this is dialect, idiolect, convention, or just plain confusion on
my part, deponent avereth naught.]

Also, for what it's worth, I pronounce "striped" with long diphthong.

Robin Hamilton

> 
>     On 06 October 2016 at 15:41 Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
> 
> 
>     > On Oct 6, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jim Parish <jparish at SIUE.EDU> wrote:
>     >
>     > I'm not so sure: "his beloved books" and similar constructions seem to
>     > me to call for the trisyllable.
>     >
>     > Jim Parish
> 
>     Yeah, maybe I was a bit hasty on the "usually". There may be a general
> distinction between attributive and predicative uses; "X is beloved by all" is
> definitely bisyllabic for me. Has this been discussed anywhere?
> 
>     LH
> 
> 
>     P.S. Are there any speakers who rhyme "baked" and "naked"?
> 
> 
>     >
>     > On 10/6/2016 9:02 AM, Laurence Horn wrote:
>     >> There's also "beloved". I think it's always "dearly belov-ed", but
>     >> otherwise usually two syllables rather than three.
>     >>
>     >> LH
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> The only one I vacilalte about is "learned", vs. "learn-ed" when I
>     >>> want to say it as an adjective. And for the adj. in writing, I want to
>     >>> add an acute accent to the second "e".
>     >>>
>     >>> Joel
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> From: Dave Hause <dwhause at CABLEMO.NET>
>     >>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>     >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:35 AM
>     >>> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Urban legend? Or fact?
>     >>>
>     >>> AUGGHH! Until you asked, it hadn't occurred to me. Now, the answer has
>     >>> suddenly become, "I think maybe it is, sometimes, but I can't be sure
>     >>> of the
>     >>> circumstances." But I know it doesn't sound dysphonious. Inconclusive
>     >>> self-analysis!
>     >>> Dave Hause
>     >>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>> From: Wilson Gray
>     >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:17 PM
>     >>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>     >>> Subject: Urban legend? Or fact?
>     >>>
>     >>> Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>     >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Agent-5FOrange&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=wlk3fYUlu36LThnA2K8ZWmAmBV-PVfzh2ohzp_EHwvg&s=4KBpq-z5bNmTBs-jFD5v1dyEh65MCW-N-YzjWj2eMhw&e=
>     >>> It was given its name from the color of the orange-striped barrels in
>     >>> which
>     >>> it was shipped and was, by far, the most widely-used of the so-called
>     >>> "rainbow herbicides."
>     >>>
>     >>> And is _striped_ disyllabic for anyone else but me?
>     >>> --
>     >>> -Wilson
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