[Ads-l] Predatory sexual behavior is out; patriarchalism remains

Robin Hamilton robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM
Sun Oct 9 13:23:00 EDT 2016


Like Joel, I too have been misconstruing Senator McCain, and doing him an
unjust.   I'd taken him to be referring to "our [Mormon] women", but he's in
effect using a slightly archaic, to my ear, term for SE "wife", usually coupled
with the modifier "old", as in, "That's my old woman painted on the wall"
(Browning), or in the male variant, "My old man said, Folllow the van, and don't
dilly-dally on the way" (Traditional Popular Song).  A matter of register
variation rather than implicit sexism.  Or whatever.

Robin

*** unjust -- originally a typo for an intended "injustice", but I *like* it.
  It may even fall into the category which M.A.K.Halliday calls Grammatical
Metaphor:  "The cross-coupling ... not between words (lexical items) but between
grammatical classes." (CW 5, p. xvi).  Actually, it doesn't, as it doesn't
contain more than a single item, but at least it gives me a chance to drop the
name of the Edinburgh Maoist into the conversation.   R.

> 
>     On 09 October 2016 at 16:59 Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>     "I think it's degrading to our women, to our daughters, our
> granddaughters,
>     to future generations."
> 
>     http://tinyurl.com/zfrsl86
> 
>     JL
> 
>     On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Berson at att.net <Berson at att.net> wrote:
> 
>     > Before "our wives," or instead of? If the latter, I apologize.
>     >
>     > Joel
>     > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>     > ------ Original message------From: Jonathan LighterDate: Sun, Oct 9,
>     > 2016
>     > 9:01 AMTo: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU;Subject:Re: [ADS-L] Predatory sexual
>     > behavior is out; patriarchalism remains
>     > "Our women" came first.I heard it yesterday and heard it again about ten
>     > minutes before I posted.JLOn Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Joel Berson
>     > wrote:> Nothing is real, all is excerpts.>> When I wrote in the wee
>     > hours,
>     > I was using a newspaper quotation of what> Romney said, surrounded by
>     > the
>     > required marks. I have just seen and heard> Romney's statement, where he
>     > says "our wives, our daughters, our> granddaughters". (And his tweet --
>     > necessarily an excerpt -- is different> from both.)>>> But what I heard
>     > was
>     > also just an excerpt; I know I had heard more> yesterday or Friday, but
>     > do
>     > not recall it exactly. Did he say "our women"> before "our wives"?>>>
>     > And
>     > does an LDS church member need "women" when "wives" are sufficient?>>
>     > Joel>>> From: Jonathan Lighter > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>     > Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 8:09 AM> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Predatory
>     > sexual behavior is out; patriarchalism> remains>> More appositely, he
>     > referred first to "our women.">> JL>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 12:35 AM,
>     > Joel
>     > Berson wrote:>> > Mitt Romney, an LDS churchman, condemns Trump's
>     > "condoning assault" on> > "our wives and daughters". A number of other
>     > Republican politicians have> > responded similarly to Trump's language
>     > about and behavior toward "their"> > women.> >> > Joel> >> >> >
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