[Ads-l] dark poll

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu Oct 27 11:35:44 EDT 2016


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> "For you, it exists?"
> 
> It may "exist" for Humpty Dumpty too, but that doesn't make it real.
> 
> If Saucermen from Planet Elmo exist "for me," it makes no difference to
> verifiable reality. They remain a fantasy.
> 
> Wouldn't it be truly effective only if most or all of the (supposedly...)
> competing polls were "dark"?
> 
> "Dark," by the by, is an odd word-choice. Perhaps somebody was
> misremembering "black ops" and  "black budgets."

Maybe for the relevant folks (for whom such polls exist), "black polls" would be ruled out on other grounds...

LH
> 
> Still waiting for evidence of "dark polling" as a viable enterprise outside
> of  state-run media.
> 
> JL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> If you think Reuters is manipulating its poll results to favor the
>> Democrats, then, for you, it exists. (Check Breitbart if you are truly
>> interested.)
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016 6:44 AM, "Jonathan Lighter" <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The question remains: do what "they" call "dark polls" even exist -
>>> outside, perhaps, of places like Russia?
>>> 
>>> And do "they" encompass anybody beyond Mr. DT and his alt-right buddies?
>>> 
>>> JL
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I believe that Trump believes that any poll that shows him losing is
>>>> purposely trying to make him lose = a dark poll.
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 2016 7:46 PM, "Laurence Horn" <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sure -- all the wrong ones.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There have always been accusations against polling organizations
>> that
>>>>> they
>>>>>> are biased, either intentionally or not. Didn't the Goldwater
>>> campaign
>>>>>> accuse the Gallup organization of being a "propaganda machine"?
>>> (Didn't
>>>>> the
>>>>>> Gallup organization predict Romney the victor over Obama?)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> DanG
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know there were some Republican-friendly polls that were apparently
>>>>> widely believed at the time that predicted Romney, but I don't recall
>>>>> whether Gallup was among them.  There was the famous example (I
>> assume
>>>>> actual and not apocryphal) of polls that predicted a landslide defeat
>>> of
>>>>> the Democratic candidate (Truman vs. Dewey? FDR vs. somebody?) that
>> was
>>>>> flawed by having been conducted by telephone at a time when many
>> voters
>>>>> were too poor to have one.  But that wasn't a dark poll, just a
>> stupid
>>>> one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> LH
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have we any proof that "they" call "them" "dark polls"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That seems like a very strange concept for any polling
>> organization.
>>>> The
>>>>>>> "dark polls" that the T---p alluded to were polls from prominent,
>>>>> reputable
>>>>>>> sources indicating he's behind.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can anyone cite some actual, phony "dark polls" in the United
>>> States?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Berson at att.net <Berson at att.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One Tweet, according to Rachel Maddow just now, has "the the
>>> Trump."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am reminded of that other sociopath, Zippy the Pinhead's "Mr.
>> The
>>>>>>> Toad."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If I have his name right.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Joel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>>> *From: *Jonathan Lighter
>>>>>>>> *Date: *Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:48 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU;
>>>>>>>> *Subject:*[ADS-L] dark poll
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> T---p (or, as he now styles himself, "t
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "the T---p"):
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "They call them 'dark polls.'
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They are phony polls put out
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> by phonymedia...to suppress
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the vote."
>>>>>>>> 
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