[Ads-l] arrow-space

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sun Aug 6 15:16:04 EDT 2017


> On Aug 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:48, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:28, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Arrow" rhymes with "sparrow," "marrow," and "harrow," but "aero" rhymes
>>>>> with the local pronunciation of "Cairo," Illinois. Or "pair o'," as in
>>>>> "pair o' words that rhyme."
>>>>> 
>>>>> At least for me.
>>>> 
>>>> And “pharaoh”.   Actually, now that I think of it, I distinguish “pharaoh” (as in “aerospace”) from “farro” (the “ancient grain”).  
>>>> Also “Pretty Saro” (traditional song).  But not Varro, the Roman grammarian—he rhymes with arrow.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> More homophones to me. How about some IPA? BB
>> 
>> Carey [keri]. (Vowel of Mary, pharaoh)
>> carry [kæri]. (Vowel of marry, farro)
>> Kerry [kɛri].  (Vowel of merry, ferry)
>> 
>> Imperfect, because of r-coloring.  My “Carey” vowel doesn't quite end up the same as my “Kate” vowel, although they start out the same.  Actually, now that I think of it, the stressed vowel of Cairo/Karo is a better fit for [e] than that of Carey.
> 
> Thanks. So it looks like pharaoh and aero are [e] and arrow is [æ].
> 
> BB

Right. And now you conflators can see the [ɛ]rror of your ways.


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>> 
>> LH
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>>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there any other way to pronounce it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I remember seeing a linguistics educational cartoon in Jr. High.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In one of the scenes, a character says that he can determine where someone
>>>>>> is from by they way they pronounce the words "merry," "Mary" and "marry."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I remember thinking - "but they are all pronounced the same!"  Only years
>>>>>> later, when I went East for school, did I appreciate the various ways some
>>>>>> people distinguish among those words.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess I feel the same way about aero and arrow.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:27:53 AM
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>>>>>> Subject: Re: arrow-space
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>>>>>> There might be a difference in my pronunciation, but I think they=E2=80=99=
>>>>>> re the same. BB
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 07:19, James A. Landau <JJJRLandau at NETSCAPE.COM> =
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> At a meeting this week, two different people pronounced "aerospace" as =
>>>>>> something close to /arrow-space/.  Has anyone else heard this?
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> - Jim Landau
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