[Ads-l] arrow-space

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Sun Aug 6 16:14:58 EDT 2017


During my Texas childhood, _aeroplane_ was still in use, pronounced
"arruh-plan," in the local BE patois, despite the fact that simple _plan_
would be pronounced "plane."

Mirror-image rules, I reckon.

On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com>
wrote:

> > On 6 Aug 2017, at 12:16, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
> <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:48, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
> <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
> <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM <mailto:
> mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:28, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
> <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> <mailto:laurence.horn at YALE.EDU <mailto:
> laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:
> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>> <mailto:
> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> <mailto:
> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Arrow" rhymes with "sparrow," "marrow," and "harrow," but "aero"
> rhymes
> >>>>>> with the local pronunciation of "Cairo," Illinois. Or "pair o'," as
> in
> >>>>>> "pair o' words that rhyme."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At least for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And “pharaoh”.   Actually, now that I think of it, I distinguish
> “pharaoh” (as in “aerospace”) from “farro” (the “ancient grain”).
> >>>>> Also “Pretty Saro” (traditional song).  But not Varro, the Roman
> grammarian—he rhymes with arrow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> More homophones to me. How about some IPA? BB
> >>>
> >>> Carey [keri]. (Vowel of Mary, pharaoh)
> >>> carry [kæri]. (Vowel of marry, farro)
> >>> Kerry [kɛri].  (Vowel of merry, ferry)
> >>>
> >>> Imperfect, because of r-coloring.  My “Carey” vowel doesn't quite end
> up the same as my “Kate” vowel, although they start out the same.
> Actually, now that I think of it, the stressed vowel of Cairo/Karo is a
> better fit for [e] than that of Carey.
> >>
> >> Thanks. So it looks like pharaoh and aero are [e] and arrow is [æ].
> >>
> >> BB
> >
> > Right. And now you conflators can see the [ɛ]rror of your ways.
> >
>
> Feeling the pain of cardinal vowel language speakers who are made to learn
> English in secondary school. WHYYYYYYYYYY!!! BB
>
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> LH
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is there any other way to pronounce it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I remember seeing a linguistics educational cartoon in Jr. High.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In one of the scenes, a character says that he can determine where
> someone
> >>>>>>> is from by they way they pronounce the words "merry," "Mary" and
> "marry."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I remember thinking - "but they are all pronounced the same!"
> Only years
> >>>>>>> later, when I went East for school, did I appreciate the various
> ways some
> >>>>>>> people distinguish among those words.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I guess I feel the same way about aero and arrow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf
> of
> >>>>>>> Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:27:53 AM
> >>>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: arrow-space
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >>>>>>> Poster:       Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM>
> >>>>>>> Subject:      Re: arrow-space
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> -------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There might be a difference in my pronunciation, but I think
> they=E2=80=99=
> >>>>>>> re the same. BB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 07:19, James A. Landau <JJJRLandau at NETSCAPE.COM>
> =
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> =20
> >>>>>>>> At a meeting this week, two different people pronounced
> "aerospace" as =
> >>>>>>> something close to /arrow-space/.  Has anyone else heard this?
> >>>>>>>> =20
> >>>>>>>> - Jim Landau
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