[Ads-l] American sauce

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Thu Aug 31 10:51:49 EDT 2017


I confess to hating phrases that are the opposite of what they seem to
mean, like "97% fat-free" (NOT fat-free) or "pumpkin spice" (NOT pumpkin).

DanG

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > All the ingredients you list are found in "spicy brown" mustard, like
> > Gulden’s
>
>
> So Kielecki could just call their amerykanski sauce “mustard spice”.  As
> noted in
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/business/pumpkin-spice.html
>
> the “pumpkin-flavored products" just now beginning their annual but
> ever-earlier entry into the market contain no actual pumpkin but rather
> “pumpkin spice”, i.e. “a mix of cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg and cloves”.
>
> I don’t suppose “pumpkin spice pushback” will have much support in the
> WOTY competition.
>
> LH
>
> > On Aug 30, 2017 10:12 PM, "Laurence Horn" <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.wspspolem.com.pl/en/products/kielecki-sauce/
> >> kielecki-american-sauce/
> >>>
> >>> Looks like mustard without the mustard seed…
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, maybe, but
> >>
> >> "curry powder,…, black pepper, chilli pepper, ginger powder, nutmeg"
> >>
> >> aren’t normally found in mustard.  I don’t know what makes this American
> >> sauce specifically—but maybe it’s all the additional chemicals listed
> among
> >> the ingredients.
> >>
> >> I remember reading that “homard à l’américaine” (‘lobster with American
> >> sauce’), found on many traditional French menus at least a few decades
> ago,
> >> originated as a reanalysis of “à l’amoricaine” (Breton-style), as in the
> >> recipe at http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/dining/lobster-a-
> >> larmoricaine-recipe.html. On the other hand I’ve also read that it was
> >> the other way around, so that “l’amoricaine” would be playing the role
> of
> >> the Welsh rarebit in an etymythological entertainment.  In any case, I
> >> suppose we should take Kielecki at their word and accept that the
> >> curry-pepper-chili-ginger-nutmeg sauce is indeed as amerykanski as you
> >> can get.
> >>
> >>
> >> LH
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