[Ads-l] "Drop" becoming confusing

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Fri Dec 15 19:14:05 EST 2017


My daughter (b. 1984 and well acquainted with the L train from years in Brooklyn) got the intended interpretation and noted “Like dropping an album”.

LH

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On Dec 15, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Will Salmon <wnsalmon at D.UMN.EDU> wrote:

>> The term, as you interpret it, presupposes that the yod pronunciation is 
>> the older one. Is this really the case?
>> 
>> Sali.
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> Hmm. I guess it depends on whether there's actually a yod being dropped or if what's really going on is a merger of /ju/ and /u/ in specific phonological contexts, as has been claimed. In either case, in western Canada it's perceived as belonging to older speakers and more careful speech.
> 
> It was interesting to me though that some of the students understood 'dropping' one way, and others did so in another way.
> Will
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>>> On 12/15/2017 3:19 PM, Will Salmon wrote:
>>> When I was teaching sociolinguistics in Vancouver a few years ago, I assigned a project in which students were to investigate yod-dropping in the community in words like tune/tyune, news/nyews, etc.
>>> 
>>> Some of the students interpreted the assignment so that "yod-dropping" meant dropping yod into the various words, resulting in tyune/nyews etc., rather than dropping yod out of them.
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>>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>>> Headline I saw today:
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>>>> L-ong time coming: Transit agencies drop plan for commuters during L-train
>>>> closure
>>>> https://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/40/51/dtg-l-train-plans-update-2017-12-22-bk.html
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>>>> When I first saw the headline, I assumed it meant that the plan was being
>>>> thrown away. It was only when I read the entire article that I learned the
>>>> plan was just announced.
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>>>> DanG
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