[Ads-l] "a rich man's war and a poor man's fight"

[Peter Reitan]

There is a town called Savannah TN near Shilo Tennessee, where Sherman was involved in a battle in the spring of 1862.
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I meant to say "March 7, 1862 does seem to be on the page in question."
Garson

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:31 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Hause wrote:
>> Absent an early creation of a time machine, I have to question the
>> Janesville Daily Gazette's reporting soldiers recently deserting "from
>> Savannah to General Sherman" as Sherman's "March to the Sea" was in
>> Nov.-Dec. of 1864.
>
> Thanks for your intriguing remark, Dave. The 1862 citation is from
> newspapers.com, and that database does contain misdated newspaper
> pages. Indeed, all the databases I use contain some misdated pages.
> Hence, I usually try to find the date somewhere on the page scan (or
> on a succeeding/preceding page).
>
> March 7, 1962 does seem to be on the page in question. The text is
> degraded and the "8" is incomplete. The March 7, 1862 date is
> displayed unambiguously on the succeeding page. Here is a link to the
> newspaper page that will work for subscribers. Maybe someone else can
> study the page to see if some of the reportage is anachronistic:
>
> https://www.newspapers.com/image/73857228/?terms=rich
>
> Perhaps the soldiers were originally from Savannah but deserted to
> Sherman in another state?
>
> Garson
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>> Dave Hause, dwhause at cablemo.net
>> Waynesville, MO
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>> -----Original Message----- From: ADSGarson O'Toole
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 1:12 PM
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: "a rich man's war and a poor man's fight"
>>
>>
>> JL initiated this thread back on November 27 by presenting a citation
>> dated March 3, 1863 for the saying in the subject line. Below is a
>> citation dated February 27, 1863 together with a precursor containing
>> only "rich man's war" on March 7, 1862.
>>
>> Date: March 7, 1862
>> Newspaper: Janesville Daily Gazette (Evening)
>> Newspaper Location: Janesville, Wisconsin
>> Article: To-Day's Report (Reported Exclusively for the Daily Gazette)
>> Quote Page 1, Column 4
>> Database: Newspapers.com
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> One hundred and fifty rebel soldiers recently deserted from Savannah
>> to General Sherman. When asked why they did it, they replied that they
>> were tired of fighting in a rich man's war.
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>>
>> Date: February 27, 1863
>> Newspaper: The Liberator
>> Newspaper Location: Boston, Massachusetts
>> Article: Union and Emancipation Society of Manchester
>> (Quote appears in footnote to article)
>> Quote Page 3 (35), Column 2
>> Database: Newspapers.com
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> By a recent act, the conscription in the South includes all men
>> between 16 and 60 years of age, exemption being granted to the owner
>> of six slaves, and so in proportion, for every six slaves a male
>> relation or friend is exempted. General Neal Dow says the people in
>> the South avow that "this is a rich man's war, but a poor man's
>> fight."
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>> Garson
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Jonathan Lighter
>> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't see this in YBQ, but that may not mean anything.
>>>
>>> 1863 (March 3) in _Papers relating to the foreign relations of the United
>>> States_ (Washington, D.C.: G.P.O.) 137: General Neal Dow [U.S.A.] says the
>>> people in the south avow that, "This is a rich man's war, but a poor man's
>>> fight."
>>>
>>> JL
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