[Ads-l] thoughts on this idea? variant pronunciations in a dictionary receive individual etymologies

Tim Stewart timoteostewart1977 at GMAIL.COM
Sun Jan 8 20:57:34 EST 2017


Thanks, all, for the insightful comments about IPA and in some cases about
phonetic transcription more broadly.

It's truly a shame that the American dictionary establishment has so
utterly eschewed IPA. Merriam-Webster's, Random House, American Heritage,
Webster's New World... all these and more use a more or less similar
respelling scheme that Wikipedia denominates "United States dictionary
transcription
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:United_States_dictionary_transcription>."
The opening lines of this Wikipedia article read: "This phonetic notation
is a generic US dictionary-style respelling system, similar to those used
by American Heritage, Merriam-Webster, and Random House dictionaries. Such
systems were once used in other anglophone countries, before being
abandoned for the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA). They are still
more familiar to people educated in the United States than is the IPA, but
are virtually unknown outside North America and may be found to be
impenetrable in other countries."

Tim


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On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Wandl-Vogt, Eveline <
Eveline.Wandl-Vogt at oeaw.ac.at> wrote:

> hi @ all,
>
> several thoughts were spent on this issue.
> i am working with non-standard (dialectal and historical) data and
> dictionaries since about 20years.
>
> there are groups who are using more formal notation systems.
> there is a standardisation groug i am connected to, that tries to find
> ways to get into more formal, machine readable approaches.
>
> i am  curious about the improvement of lexicography and it´s re-invention,
> and this sounds to me one  likely approach towards results with impact.
> i am recently chairing a working group within the "european network for
> electronic lexicography" (ENeL: www.elexicography.eu) on "lexicology and
> lexicography from a pan-european perspective" . we might find interested
> partners to share data and experiences within this.
>
> i would be quiet curious about an investigation on how variant
> pronouncations in a dictionary receive individual etymologies and am ready
> to work on this and discucss.
>
> warm regards from vienna:
> eveline wandl-vogt
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> If you want to write for a global audience, and for future ages, then use
> IPA. Any other ad-hoc notation will be ephemeral & unappreciated. But, then
> again, as I think about it, IPA is probably a Communist conspiracy, like
> metric, and an assault on American Exceptionalism. Okay, never mind.
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