[Ads-l] bona fide (adj.), 1755

Barretts Mail mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
Fri Jun 30 15:28:18 EDT 2017


Although not on the approaches to pronunciation, there are several guides for Latin taxonomic names, due to the wide need for people to use Latin in English. A short list of websites including sites with sound files can be found at Riverside County Master Gardeners (http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=16927 <http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=16927>). A more scholarly approach to this is “Pronunciation of Biological Latin by Peter Ommundsen (http://capewest.ca/pron.html <http://capewest.ca/pron.html>). 

Benjamin bArrett
Formerly of Seattle, WA

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 10:19, Stanton McCandlish <smccandlish at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> ​Is there a good resource on the differing approaches to pronunciation of
> Latin?  I never took Latin formally, but have absorbed a lot of obscure
> vocabulary from studies of the Roman imperial era.  I've noticed people
> vary sharply between "keteris", "seteris" and "cheteris" for a word like
> *ceteris*, with "keteris" being how a Roman would have said it (at least in
> the early empire).  I'm guessing modern pronunciation as "seteris" is from
> Spanish and French influence, and "cheteris" from Church influence, but am
> uncertain about this (I'm not Catholic, either).  I just remember a
> professor giving "FEE-nus AF-ruh-chay" for "*Finis Africae*" and wondering
> why.
> 
> I seem to also recall that Latin during its living language range had
> pronunciations shift, though I'm not sure which ones in what directions,
> and whether those shifts were consistent.  Curious when and where *c* started
> to turn sibilant before short vowels, *v* to our [v] sound instead of
> [u]/[w], *ae* away from a diphthong to [i] (English "ee"), etc.
> 
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> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> I was struck by Stephen Colbert’s pronunciation of “bona fide” not in the
>> standard style of non-lawyers, “bonified”—which has indeed spawned the
>> eggcornish orthographic reanalysis along these lines—or as the juridical
>> “bon-uh FIE-dee”, both of which Ben mentions, but with the pronunciation
>> that would have warmed the heart of my, and Colbert’s, Latin teachers,
>> /‘bon@ fide/.
>> 
>> He was raised Catholic and attended parochial school, which probably
>> explains it—we’d have to check to see if he uses /tS/ for <c> before front
>> vowels, as in “c(h)eteris paribus” or “ecc(h)e homo”, to know whether his
>> Latin is classical or church.
>> 
>> LH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My latest WSJ column is on "bona fide," much in the news thanks to the
>>> SCOTUS ruling on the Trump administration's travel ban.
>>> 
>>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-bona-fide-became-a-key-
>> player-in-travel-ban-debate-1498835369
>>> 
>>> Twitter link to follow if paywalled:
>>> 
>>> https://twitter.com/bgzimmer/status/880815456113897472
>>> 
>>> The OED entry hasn't been updated since... 1887? Anyway, I didn't see
>>> anything earlier than the OED's 1542-3 cite for adverbial "bona fide" on
>>> EEBO, but the adjectival sense is easily antedated (OED has 1788).
>>> 
>>> Reports of Adjudged Cases in the Courts of Chancery, King's Bench, Common
>>> Pleas and Exchequer, Volume 2, 1755.
>>> 
>>> p. 1162: And the sessions having held, that his taking to this acre, and
>>> living on it eight years, did not gain a settlement under 9 Geo. I. c. 7.
>>> which requires a /bona fide/ payment of 30 l.
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=ogJLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1162
>>> 
>>> p. 1207: [Y]et the bankrupt had in the mean time such a property in them,
>>> as enabled him to transact and sell to a /bona fide/ purchaser.
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=ogJLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1207
>>> 
>>> --bgz
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