[Ads-l] Speaking of politically inspired lexicographic shifts

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Wed Mar 8 12:25:21 EST 2017


"Immigrant" implies volition. As the AHD def suggests, an immigrant intends
to settle peacefully, not to "be settled" by force.

I believe the implication of "peacefully" is also significant.  Are the
Germanic invaders of fifth-century Britain routinely called "immigrants"?
What about - from the POV of the Indians - the white settlers who took over
Native American lands?

JL

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Margaret Winters <mewinters at wayne.edu>
wrote:

> As I've already said to Geoff in this context, you have to look at the
> larger pragmatic frame including "in their own way" in the (I presume)
> Obama quote.  Most of us think of immigrants as looking for a better life
> (my relatives and many of yours, I am sure).  That is much of the more
> progressive narrative around illegal immigrants as well.  Much as Carson
> can try to defend himself with dictionary definitions, they do not, of
> course, always tell the entire story.
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> I don't want to start a flame war, but I do feel the need to point out
> that this trope was not invented by Ben Carson (who I am not defending--he
> seems like a guy floundering way out of his depth) and thus is not a
> candidate for 'euphemism of the year.' Here is a similar comment from 2015:
>
>
> "So life in America was not always easy. It wasn't always easy for new
> immigrants. Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had
> not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants
> themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like
> you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them.
> And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build
> a better life and give their children something more."
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> I'll leave it to the readers to find out who said this, and where.
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> > On Mar 8, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Arnold M. Zwicky <zwicky at STANFORD.EDU> =
> wrote:
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> > with a bow to this mailing list, on my blog:
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> > https://arnoldzwicky.org/2017/03/08/depriving-healthcare-for-millions/
> [https://secure.gravatar.com/blavatar/56f95f4ee451e44bc4110722ad3f9e
> ac?s=200&ts=1488988203]<https://arnoldzwicky.org/2017/03/08/
> depriving-healthcare-for-millions/>
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> “depriving healthcare for millions”<https://arnoldzwicky.org/2017/03/08/
> depriving-healthcare-for-millions/>
> arnoldzwicky.org
> Noted by Wilson Gray on ADS-L on Monday, from his reading on Facebook.
> Wilson commented: Remember the days of yore when people wrote: “depriving
> millions of health-care”? The implicit …
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> ac?s=200&ts=1488987497]<https://arnoldzwicky.org/2017/03/08/
> depriving-healthcare-for-millions/>
>
> “depriving healthcare for millions”<https://arnoldzwicky.org/2017/03/08/
> depriving-healthcare-for-millions/>
> arnoldzwicky.org
> Noted by Wilson Gray on ADS-L on Monday, from his reading on Facebook.
> Wilson commented: Remember the days of yore when people wrote: “depriving
> millions of health-care”? The implicit …
>
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> Well, OK, it=E2=80=99s not just the healthcare debate that=E2=80=99s =
> responsible for introducing argument structure variation in =
> =E2=80=9Cdeprive=E2=80=9D.  But I wanted to segue to the =
> slaves-as-immigrants flap occasioned by Ben Carson=E2=80=99s reference =
> in his recent remarks characterizing slaves as immigrants who worked =
> particularly hard for particularly low wages. Given the opportunity to =
> =E2=80=9Cwalk back=E2=80=9D his remarks a day or two later, he supported =
> his reference with lexicographic evidence, noting that ( "An immigrant =
> is: 'a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign
> country=E2=80=99=E2=
> =80=9D. Sure enough, Carson=E2=80=99s definition (apparently from Oxford =
> Dictionaries: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/immigrant) is =
> echoed by the AHD=E2=80=99s entry: "A person who leaves one country to =
> settle permanently in another.=E2=80=9D =20
>
> Does this extend to enslaved persons and others forced to live or =
> =E2=80=9Csettle=E2=80=9D in another country? Were Jews and gypsies =
> loaded into cattle cars in the 1930s and =E2=80=9840s and transported to =
> death camps in Germany immigrants too?  Technically, they did leave =
> France or Holland or wherever and =E2=80=9Csettled" permanently=E2=80=94if=
>  you can excuse the adverb=E2=80=94in another country, but did they =
> leave one country to settle in another? Whether that includes slaves or =
> deportees may depends on what we take the meaning of =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=9D =
> to be in =E2=80=9Cto settle..." (purposive/intentional?  resultative?).=20=
>
>
> The OED passes the buck to the verb (=E2=80=98one who or that =
> immigrates=E2=80=99), which in turn is defined as 'To come to settle in =
> a country (which is not one's own); to pass into a new habitat or place =
> of residence (lit. and fig.)=E2=80=99, with the sense of =E2=80=9Cto=E2=80=
> =9D again being crucial.  It=E2=80=99s not clear to me whether any or =
> all of these definitions would at least by implication rule out =
> Secretary Carson=E2=80=99s expansive reading that extends to what he =
> calls =E2=80=9Cinvoluntary immigrants=E2=80=9D (see e.g. =
> http://thehill.com/homenews/322645-carson-doubles-down-
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> tary-immigrants)
>
> Any thoughts?  (Steve Kleinedler at the AHD suggests the possibility of =
> an added Usage Note in subsequent editions, if it=E2=80=99s determined =
> that such a note is necessary.)
>
> At the very least, in =E2=80=9Cinvoluntary immigrant=E2=80=9D we have an =
> early candidate for euphemism of the year. =20
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