[Ads-l] ejaculatory "pop"

Robin Hamilton robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM
Sun Mar 12 13:54:24 EDT 2017


I stand corrected (or rather cringe with mortification) -- I'd always taken that
(dare one say it, traditional?) version at face value. Gonna have to think on
this ...

But as for the grammatical logic (and I do take your larger points), I'd read it
as, "Pop!  Into the pawnshop goes the carpenter's weasel (or easel, or chisel)."

Ah, that's me straining to defend the indefensible ...  Back to singing a
lullaby to my colorless green ideas.

 :-( 

[Except ... Half a pound of tuppeny rice, half a pound of treacle {expensive
stuff, your treacle}, that's the way the money goes -- better hike round to
uncle and pop my weasel-and-stoat before the old trouble and strife gets back
and finds I've just been bilked of the household float at the local penny gaff.]

Robin

> 
>     On 12 March 2017 at 17:22 Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Yet even at a time when "pop" often meant "pawn," few people seem to have
>     subscribed to that interpretation, which is grammatically unlikely: "Pawn!
>     goes the weasel"?
> 
>     With no context to suggest otherwise, the monkey and weasel in the rhyme
>     must be taken as actual animals, with the monkey in pursuit, rather than
>     obscure or mismatched metaphors.
> 
>     Maybe the weasel goes "pop!" because he/she/it is taking off with a sudden
>     burst of speed. (See OED "pop," adj., 1. But OED, in the same article,
>     deff. 2, otherwise declines to explicate the weasel's "pop.")
> 
>     JL
> 
> 
> 
>     On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Robin Hamilton <
>     robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> 
>     > ... and of course, "pop" in that context indicates pawning an item. In
>     > this
>     > case, Charley Wag rather than Bob's your uncle, as in Henley's
>     > translation
>     > of
>     > Villon, in "Villon's Straight Tip To All Cross Coves": 'It's
>     > up-the-spout
>     > and
>     > Charley-Wag ...'
>     >
>     > Robin
>     >
>     > (The Wiki entry on Pop Goes the Weasel --
>     > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Goes_the_Weasel -- is comprehensive,
>     > and
>     > rather good -- someone on this list responsible for the anonymous
>     > authorship of
>     > the same? Kudos to whoever. R.)
>     >
>     > >
>     > > On 12 March 2017 at 14:50 Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>     > wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > "All around the carpenter's bench" is how I learned it.
>     > >
>     > > JL
>     > >
>     > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Laurence Horn <
>     > laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>     > > wrote:
>     > >
>     > > > And it does add a whole new perspective on that hanky-panky between
>     > > > monkey
>     > > > and weasel in the neighborhood of that mulberry bush…
>     > > >
>     > > > LH
>     > > >
>     > > > > On Mar 12, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
>     > wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>     > > > wrote:
>     > > > >
>     > > > > There seems to be no way to know, but I'm skeptical. Maybe he's
>     > just
>     > > > > playing with the senses of "ask" and "explode." Given the
>     > context and
>     > > > > the
>     > > > > vast "antedating," this explanation seems somewhat more
>     > reasonable to
>     > > > > me.
>     > > > >
>     > > > > OED's initial cite, btw, is from HDAS files.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > > JL
>     > > > >
>     > > > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net>
>     > wrote:
>     > > > >
>     > > > >> Well, Arnold -- Larry? Jon? -- what's your evaluation of the
>     > 1722
>     > > > "pop"?
>     > > > >> Was the humorist and satirist Nathaniel Gardner innuendoing
>     > > > >> [innuendo,
>     > > > v.,
>     > > > >> sense 3] ejaculation?
>     > > > >>
>     > > > >> Joel
>     > > > >>
>     > > > >>
>     > > > >> From: Arnold M. Zwicky <zwicky at STANFORD.EDU>
>     > > > >> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>     > > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 6:09 PM
>     > > > >> Subject: [ADS-L] ejaculatory "pop"
>     > > > >>
>     > > > >> citing ADS-L, on my blog:
>     > > > >>
>     > > > >> https://arnoldzwicky.org/2017/03/11/ejaculatory-pop/
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