[Ads-l] "L'=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=89tat_?=C'est Moi" Source

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Tue Oct 31 22:39:54 EDT 2017


> I don't read French much, but the preface seems to describe the origin,
sources and past of the      > documents used.  Documents accessed after
toppling the monarchy, perhaps?

The preamble to the edict of the tenth is one
less despotic than previous edicts.
This prince, in his times of prosperity,
shocked that a magistrate had said, the
King and the State, interrupted him, saying,
l'État c'est moi.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I don't read French much, but the preface seems to describe the origin,
> sources and past of the documents used.  Documents accessed after toppling
> the monarchy, perhaps?
>
> The quote appears in many books and periodicals published in 1791.  The
> Memoires must have made a big splash.
>
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> Good work, Peter. I suspect that "M=C3=A9moires Secrets . . ." is the same
> book that Fred found in Gallica. Google Books also has the volume, but
> I do not see any pointer to an earlier source within the text.
>
> Year: 1791
> Title: M=C3=A9moires secrets sur les r=C3=A8gnes de Louis XIV et de Louis
> X=
> V
> Volume 1
> Charles Duclos
> Publisher: Buisson, Paris
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=3DTpT9cfQ-APgC&q=3D%
> 22c%27est+moi%22#v=3D=
> snippet&
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> Le pr=C3=A9ambule de l'=C3=A9dit du dixi=C3=A8me est d'un
> stile moins despotique que les =C3=A9dits pr=C3=A9c=C3=A9dens.
> Ce prince, dans ses temps de prosp=C3=A9rit=C3=A9,
> choqu=C3=A9 qu'un magistrat e=C3=BBt dit, le
> Roi et l'Etat, l'interrompit, en disant,
> l'Etat c'est moi.
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
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> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > A German-language journal also published in April 1791<
> https://babel.hath=
> itrust.org/cgi/pt?id=3Dhvd.hxjuey;view=3D1up;seq=3D645> attributes the
> anec=
> dote to "Memoires secrets sur les regnes de Louis XIV. et Louis XV<https://
> =
> archive.org/stream/mmoiressecretss06duclgoog#page/n195/mode/2up/search/c%
> 27=
> est>. par feu Mr. Duclos, de l'academie Francoise, historiographe de
> France=
> . 1791. I Vol. 484 pages. II. 571 pages in Octavo."  That book, on
> archive.=
> org, has poor OCR text, so I was unable to easily search and find it in
> the=
>  book to see whether it listed an earlier source.
> >
> >
> > G=C3=B6ttingische Anzeigen von gelehrten Sachen, Volume 1, 1791, Number
> 6=
> 4, page 645<https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=3Dhvd.hxjuey;
> view=3D1up;=
> seq=3D649>.
> >
> >
> >
> > If the "Memoires" were truly secret, it is possible that they first came
> =
> to light in that publication.
> >
> >
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> > The Yale Book of Quotations cites an 1834 secondary source for Louis
> XIV'=
> s =3D
> > famous remark, "L'=3DC9tat c'est moi."  When I search Gallica I find the
> =
> phra=3D
> > se occurring in a 1791 book.  Can anyone help me to trace it to pre-1791
> =
> so=3D
> > urces?
> >
> >
> > Fred Shapiro
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