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Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Mon Sep 11 14:06:27 EDT 2017


[I don’t know what’s up. Not only have I changed apps, but I’ve also even
changed machines, and quotation _still_ doesn’t work properly!].

> Things began to change, I think, around 1970, but took another generation
to become
>  undeniably obvious.

Sigh! Woe worth the day!

I probably shouldn’t be complaining, given that standard man-talk has been
similarly emasculated. Besides, “allowing” - speaking of “scare quotes” -
chicks to use guy-talk without being automatically qualified as trollops
and fishwives is a very small concession of male power.

BTW, ever notice that women are no longer routinely referred to as
“battle-axes”? I wouldn’t be surprised that there were people here unaware
that this term - and its more-learned brothers, “virago” et sim. - were
ever routinelyapplied to women as commo insults.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My impressions as an NYC white guy were very much the same.  Things began
> to change, I think, around 1970, but took another generation to become
> undeniably obvious.
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:40 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So sexist!
> >
> > Can’t help it. Back in my youth, it was assumed that women and girls were
> > unaware of any slang terms of a sexual nature or any other kind of “bad
> > word” or even of “non-standard” slang, in general, because they had never
> > heard them, since no gentleman used such language in the presence of a
> > lady.
> >
> > This led to such oddities as a college classmate tittering to me a joke
> > whose punch-line contained the phrase, “God damn.” I heard a cruder
> version
> > of the same joke when I was in the first grade, for heaven’s sake. The
> > punch-line of her version:
> >
> > “Will you pass those Goddamn peas?!”
> >
> > The punch-line that I heard in the first grade was:
> >
> > “Pass them peas before I shit on you!”
> >
> > Another time, I was startled to hear a female friend use “cocksman.” If
> she
> > had had the slightest clue as to the meaning of _cock_ in that term - the
> > mirror-image of what it means in standard English, but still… -  she
> would
> > have cut her tongue out before using it
> >
> > It was this that led me to claim, in these pages, that women knew nothing
> > about slang. Nowadays, thanks to the popularity of rap and hip-hop, once
> > thuggishly-manly turns of phrase have been totally emasculated. I hear
> > white women in sit-coms casually using language that, in my lost youth,
> > _black_women had never heard and wouldn’t have understood, if they had
> > heard it, as in the case cited. There was a commercial featuring two
> white
> > ladies at a table at a sidewalk cafe. A good-looking man passes by and
> one
> > white lady says to the other, “I’d like to hit that!” On another
> sit-com, a
> > white lady used the phrase, “split it, hit it, and quit it.”
> >
> > Lord have mercy! In my day, only the crudest, no-class,
> > reform-school-drop-out rogues hanging on the corner smoking reefer on the
> > poor side of Darktown would use those turns of phrase! In fact, at that
> > time, it wouldn’t even have been grammatical for a woman to say, “I‘d
> like
> > to hit that,” as Larry has demonstrated, writing pseudonymously, in a
> paper
> > published in the McCawley festschrift, Studies out in Left Field.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So sexist!
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > How about syn. “junk"?
> > > >
> > > > I don’t know. Isn’t that just for guys?
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > How about syn. "junk"?
> > > > >
> > > > > JL
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "8. in sexual contexts [20C+ use is usu. US black].”
> > > > > >       (a) the [vulva]… fig. used as female sexuality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Usu. US black” is certainly true, in my experience. It’s a clip
> of
> > > > _that
> > > > > > good stuff_ , a quasi-euphemistic alternate term for _pussy_.
> > > However,
> > > > it
> > > > > > appears to be breaking the bonds of race, sex, and nationality..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here’s an instance of its use by a black Englishwoman:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “He sat next to me and started touching my stuff.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-41038652/he-touched-my-
> > > > > back-down-to-my-bum
> > > > > > ca.0:03
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, as is the case with _tap that ass_, the term has clearly
> lost
> > > its
> > > > > > former level-10 obscenity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > -Wilson
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange
> > complaint
> > > to
> > > > > > come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> > > > > > -Mark Twain
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> to
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-- 
-Wilson
-----
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
-Mark Twain

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