[Ads-l] Meta re: rebel yell and yeehaw
paul johnson
paulzjoh at MTNHOME.COM
Wed Apr 4 03:00:02 UTC 2018
AH. /Galaxy. Astounding, Fantasy, Asimov's. If, Analog/, the only one I
couldn't get into was /Weird. / Bought every one, every month and never
even thought of saving them. Shame on me.
On 4/3/2018 9:37 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>>> Those of sufficient maturity may recall the following battle-cry:
>>>>
>>> Galaxy Magazine - Volume 8, Issues 1-6 - Page 137
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=gLoSAAAAIAAJ
>>> 1954 - Snippet view
>>> And then the little man cupped his hands to his mouth and hooted
>> mournfully
>>> into the twilight, _"Wa-wa-wa-wa-wabbit twacks!"_
>>>> I am and I do. Yeah! But I can't remember the origin.
> Full text of "Galaxy Magazine (July 1954)" - Internet Archive
> https://archive.org/stream/galaxymagazine-1954-07/Galaxy_1954_07_djvu.txt
> Shep boomed happily, "We'll get my crimson lake out of the way, then
> registration." They walked through the driving rain to a tumbledown
> building guarded by a rat-faced boy of twelve. Shep told him cryptically,
> "Got a message for Monmouth." The boy hooted mournfully,
> "Wa-wa-wa-wa-wabbit twacks!"
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Mark Mandel <mark.a.mandel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My, my. *NINE LEVELS *of embedded quotes. I think that's a record for what
>> I've seen, or at least that I've cared enough to read.
>>
>> *wc* (no, not "W.C."!) says
>> 341 2416 10979
>> lines words
>> ş
>> Mark Mandel
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Merriam-Webster online now defines "rebel yell" as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>> Those of sufficient maturity may recall the following battle-cry:
>>>>
>>>> Galaxy Magazine - Volume 8, Issues 1-6 - Page 137
>>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=gLoSAAAAIAAJ
>>>> 1954 - Snippet view
>>>> And then the little man cupped his hands to his mouth and hooted
>>> mournfully
>>>> into the twilight, _"Wa-wa-wa-wa-wabbit twacks!"_
>> I am and I do. Yeah! But I can't remember the origin.
>>
>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A US Marine Corps recruiting poster of 1918 reads, remarkably,
>>>>>
>>>>> "E-E-E-Yah-Yip Go Over With U.S. Marines"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/
>> 3551356171/in/set-
>>>>> 72157604204316251/
>>>>>
>>>>> I read the "Yip" as a clumsy way of conveying a high-pitched squeal,
>>>> rather
>>>>> than the representation of an actual vocable.
>>>>>
>>>>> An interesting relative of both the "yip-yip-yip" type of rebel yell
>>> and
>>>>> the later, iconic "(Y)ee-ha!"
>>>>>
>>>>> JL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday I found myself serendipitously driving behind a panel
>> truck
>>>>> that
>>>>>> advertised
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YEE-HAW! A FINE SOUTHERN BEER.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOU'LL SAY IT WHEN YOU DRINK IT!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proof:
>>>>>> https://trademarks.justia.com/864/49/you-ll-say-it-when-you-
>>>>>> drink-86449331.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>> Another early Yeehah!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Cumberland Three" was a folk-pop band of the Kingston Trio
>>> sort.
>>>>> In
>>>>>>> 1960 they released a pair of LPs of souped-up Civil War songs on
>>> the
>>>>>>> Roulette label: "Civil War Almanac: 'Yankees,' Vol. 1" and
>>>>> "...'Rebels,'
>>>>>>> Vol. 2."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On track B3 of the latter album, an extreme "Yeehah!" is
>>> specifically
>>>>>>> identified as "the rebel yell."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Cumberland Three, as far as I can tell, hailed from the West
>>>> Coast.
>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>>> Now there's a whole book on the subject:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/The-Rebel-Yell-Cultural-History/
>>>> dp/0817318488
>>>>>>>> Nothing linguistically new here, though there's a lot of
>>> discussion
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> yell as a primary postbellum cultural symbol that seems to have
>>>> been
>>>>>>> ousted
>>>>>>>> by the Confederate battle flag (actually, naval flag) only
>> during
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Civil
>>>>>>>> Rights Movement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Professor Warren's bulleted "key observations" include:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "As early as the summer of 1861 Southern screeching had
>> occurred
>>> in
>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>> major theaters of the war. ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Rebel yell seemingly lacked words, word sounds, rhyme, and
>>> any
>>>>>>>> coherent rhythm....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The yell resulted from bodies of men screeching in unison. The
>>>>>>> collective
>>>>>>>> effort created greater volume and complexity than could be
>>> achieved
>>>>> by
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> one soldier...."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Etc. He also cites and dismisses claims that the yell
>> originated
>>> at
>>>>>> Troy,
>>>>>>>> in Britain or Ireland, among the Mongols, or in the ululations
>> of
>>>>>> Muslim
>>>>>>>> Spain. Maybe Indian war-whoops contributed, maybe they didn't.
>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>> slave
>>>>>>>> shouts too, but maybe not. You just can't tell with the rebel
>>> yell;
>>>>>>>> especially since, as Professor Warren correctly observes, there
>>> was
>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> single, standard, prescribed yell at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prof. Warren, author of an earlier book on Civil War
>> literature,
>>>>> cites
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> plethora of rebel yell information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except, that is, for our multi-year discussion, which began in
>>>>> 2006. I
>>>>>>>> find no mention of "Yeehaw!" antebellum mules, "Red River,"
>> Stan
>>>>>>> Freberg,
>>>>>>>> "Doctor Strangelove," or the 1st Marine Parachute Regiment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But there is a photo of the dust jacket of H. Allen Smith's
>>> book.
>>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>>>> One day earlier in _The Oregonian_ (Portland), p. 11.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>>>>> For the record, here is the earliest "Yee-ha[w/h]!" I've
>> seen
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> explicitly refers to it as a "rebel yell":
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1984 Joyce Lain Kennedy in _Springfield [Mass.] Republican_
>>>> B-8:
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> time your temper flares at the boss and you're tempted to
>>>>>> "yee-haw!"
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> rebel yell, remember who lost the Civil War.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's 123 years after the start of said war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
>>>>>>>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Poster: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: rebel yell and yeehaw
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Make that "(1959)."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JL
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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