[Ads-l] QOTY nominee: "Truth isn't truth"

paul johnson paulzjoh at MTNHOME.COM
Mon Aug 20 08:45:16 EDT 2018


How big would the smile on Orwell's face be?


On 8/20/2018 7:42 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> And I MISSED IT???
>
> This is marketing malpractice.
>
> Maybe they'll show it again.
>
> JL
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 6:31 AM Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:
>
>> On the productiveness of the "-nado" element, let us note that the newest
>> "Sharknado" movie (the 4th? 5th?) premiered last night on the SiFi channel.
>>
>>
>> --Charlie
>>
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>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of
>> Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 8:13:50 PM
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: QOTY nominee: "Truth isn't truth"
>>
>> On a less political and WOTYer note, how established was the blend
>> “firenado” before the conflagrations of the last month or two in Redding
>> and elsewhere?
>>
>> LH
>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 5:43 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> "That's certainly what it's widely believed to have meant, but watching
>> the
>>> entire exchange suggests another, less dire, possibility."
>>>
>>> This comment neatly summarizes nuch of the reporting on everything the
>> President has said or tweeted since he announced his candidacy.
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jonathan Lighter<mailto:wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
>>> Sent: ‎8/‎19/‎2018 14:36
>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>>> Subject: Re: QOTY nominee: "Truth isn't truth"
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>>> That's certainly what it's widely believed to have meant, but watching
>> the
>>> entire exchange suggests another, less dire, possibility.
>>>
>>> JL
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 5:29 PM Mark Mandel <mark.a.mandel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> No, I think the phrase means "Those are what you call facts. These are
>> what
>>>> I call facts, and yours are inconsistent with them."
>>>>
>>>> Mark Mandel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:36 PM Jonathan Lighter <
>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What he clearly meant is that what somebody says is the truth isn't
>>>>> necessarily the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Giuliani then said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Donald Trump says, 'I didn't talk about  Flynn with Comey'. Comey
>> says,
>>>>> 'You did talk about it.'  So tell me what the truth is."
>>>>> I doubt he meant that "Truth is not truth," which  remains logically
>>>>> impossible. He meant that from two conflicting stories from equally
>>>>> reliable witnesses,  you can't decide without other evidence what the
>>>> truth
>>>>> really is.   And you might be wrong anyway.
>>>>> (N.b., "equally reliable" and "without other evidence.")
>>>>> Similarly, Kellyanne's "alernative facts" meant "other facts that
>>>> outweigh
>>>>> yours."
>>>>>
>>>>> JL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 3:53 PM Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This one from Rudy Giuliani could be hard to beat for QOTY. Even in
>> the
>>>>>> moment Chuck Todd recognizes its meme potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/19/politics/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/index.html
>>>>>> "When you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going
>>>> to
>>>>>> tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's so silly because
>>>> it's
>>>>>> somebody's version of the truth. Not the truth," Giuliani told NBC's
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Todd on Sunday morning during "Meet the Press."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Truth is truth," Todd said in response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No, no, it isn't truth," Giuliani said. "Truth isn't truth. The
>>>>> President
>>>>>> of the United States says, "I didn't ..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Truth isn't truth?" Todd interjected. "Mr. Mayor, do you realize,
>> what
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I think this is going to become a bad meme."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No, no, no ... don't do this to me," Giuliani said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don't do 'truth isn't truth' to me," Todd continues.
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I'm hoping Larry can explain this fascinating exercise in
>>>>> self-negation.)
>>>>>> --bgz
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