[Ads-l] words connected to a single provenance

Marc Sacks msacksg at GMAIL.COM
Mon Aug 27 18:08:07 EDT 2018


"Cowabunga" may go back to Howdy Doody--I'm old enough to remember the
show, but not the word--but I'll always associate it with Snoopy.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:03 PM, paul johnson <paulzjoh at mtnhome.com> wrote:

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> On 8/27/2018 10:59 AM, Philip E. Cleary wrote:
> > I think that "cowabunga" goes back to Chief Thunderthud of Howdy Doody
> fame.
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> >> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Galen Buttitta <
> satorarepotenetoperarotas3 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> >> Point of order: “Cowabunga” was popularized by Michelangelo of the
> Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles”. Bart Simpson said “¡Ay, caramba!”.
> > You’re absolutely correct. D’oh!
> >>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:30, Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at UGA.EDU> wrote:
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> >>> It's my impression that the amelioration of noun "notoriety" preceded
> (and perhaps facilitated) the amelioration of the adjective "notorious."
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> >>> Interesting. I don’t watch much FoxNews, I confess (i.e. any), but I
> haven’t noticed the noun ameliorating, while I have encountered both the
> corresponding adjective “infamous” and its cousin “notorious” ameliorating
> and/or bleaching to mean just something like ‘famous’. But not for all uses
> of “famous”—I’d be surprised to hear Beethoven described as an infamous
> musician or Rembrandt a notorious artist. The shift is more something
> applied to those whose fame derives from the celebrity culture, at least as
> far as I’ve noticed. Is this shift described in print somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> LH
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> >>>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 7:48 AM, W Brewer <brewerwa at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> RE: <infamy> 'ill repute, ill fame, loss of reputation, disgrace,
> >>>> discredit, shame, dishonour'. But
> >>>> the word is consistently given a positive spin by Brian Kilmeade of
> >>>> FoxNews: <infamy>
> >>>> 'good repute, positive fame, honour'. Such a positive
> re-interpretation of
> >>>> the negative "day that
> >>>> will live in infamy" flips it the other side of FDR's rough draft
> neutral
> >>>> "day that will live in history".
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