[Ads-l] Early QOTY candidate

[Wilson Gray]

> I wonder if they were good enough to save Macduff’s mom during the
procedure (and I also wonder why “untimely”—too early? too late?).

They probably weren't. It wouldn't have mattered, anyway. Ever since I was
a Catholic schoolkid, I've understood that, if there's a choice, the
mother, who has lived long enough to commit at least one sin, has to die to
save the semi-innocent - there's original sin to be dealt with, of course -
babe, even it it's a girl. (So do I. Sometimes, Shakespeare is no clearer
than the inerrant word of God.)

They've just re-played The Quote on TV. The Donald says "born" very
clearly. I'm not swayed by the fact that it can be proved that he was
_supposed_ to say "torn," not "born," and some other number of months than
nine.

Early QOTY candidate!

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> > On Jan 22, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> [LH:]
> >> Maybe Trump's speechwriter had just come from a production of the
> > Scottish play, where Macbeth, having been assured by the witches'
> prophecy
> >> that no man of woman born can defeat him, unfortunately encounters
> > Macduff, who was "from his mother's womb / Untimely ripped”.
> > [WG:]
> > Youneverknow. But, clearly, Scotland had some hella good obstetric
> > surgeons, in those days.
>
> I wonder if they were good enough to save Macduff’s mom during the
> procedure (and I also wonder why “untimely”—too early? too late?). As I
> understand it, until relatively recently the mother did not survive a
> Caesarean section, and that that’s how we know it wasn’t named for Julius
> Caesar, since his mother (Calpurnia?) was around afterward to raise
> Julius.  The OED begs to differ on this, glossing Caesarian
> birth/section/operation as follows:
>
> 'delivery of a child by cutting through the walls of the abdomen when
> delivery cannot take place in the natural way, as was done in the case of
> Julius Cæsar’
>
> —without so much as a hedge.  Can any of our etymology and/or classical
> history mavens clarify the point?
>
> LH
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> “Right now, in a number of states, the laws allow a baby to be _torn_
> >>> from
> >>>>> his or her mother's womb in the ninth month,” Trump said. “It is
> wrong.
> >>>>> It has to change.”
> >>>
> >>>> Killjoy.
> >>>
> >>> _Still_ seems like a good QOTY candidate to me. "_Torn_ from the womb
> in
> >>> the _ninth_ month"?! WTF is that supposed to mean? Does he want to
> outlaw
> >>> caesareans?
> >>
> >> Maybe Trump's speechwriter had just come from a production of the
> Scottish
> >> play, where Macbeth, having been assured by the witches' prophecy that
> no
> >> man of woman born can defeat him, unfortunately encounters Macduff, who
> was
> >> "from his mother's womb / Untimely ripped”.
> >>
> >> As for Trump’s misreading of the line, I think that’s a case for Dr.
> Freud.
> >>
> >> LH
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Killjoy.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at GMAIL.COM>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually, a misstatement from the written statement: "torn".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> DanG
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> >>>> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> A typo for "borne."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> JL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Laurence Horn <
> >> laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “Right now, in a number of states, the laws allow a baby to be born
> >>>> from
> >>>>>>> his or her mother's womb in the ninth month,” Trump said. “It is
> >> wrong.
> >>>>>> It
> >>>>>>> has to change.”
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> —President Trump yesterday, addressing anti-abortion marchers at
> >> their
> >>>>>>> “March for Life”
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-Wilson
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All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
-Mark Twain

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