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Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat Jan 26 11:55:28 EST 2019


> On Jan 25, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I'm pretty sure I've heard that construction numerous times.
> 
> First time that I can recall hearing it as "... and _I's_." I miss the "me
> and Laurie's friend" construction of my lost youth.

I agree that “me and Laurie’s friend” is fine here (one of Arnold’s Ia forms, which as he notes is “especially frequent” as an option despite raised prescriptive hackles) because Laurie is a lexical noun rather than pronoun, but what if the speaker had just been talking about Laurie and then wanted to introduce the new referent as a friend of her [Laurie] and themself:

“Me and her friend”?
“My and her friend”?
“Her and my friend”?
“She and I’s friend”?
“Mine and her(’s) friend”?

No perfect (or even decent) solution…

LH
> 
> "Time brings about a change," to coin a phrase.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 6:32 PM Arnold M. Zwicky <zwicky at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark Mandel <mark.a.mandel at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I'm pretty sure I've heard that construction numerous times.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:28 PM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dr. Phil guest:
>>>> 
>>>> "She was _Laurie and I's_ friend."
>> 
>> for a systematic discussion of the alternatives, essenially all of which
>> are attested, see my Language Log posting:
>> 
>> AZ, 10/12/08: Coordinate possessives:
>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=706
>> 
>> arnold
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