[Ads-l] question order in embedded question

Mark Mandel markamandel at GMAIL.COM
Sun Sep 15 19:13:17 EDT 2019


Ah, Galen, you bring back to memories of my asymmetrical-beard days.

Mark Mandel

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 5:27 PM Galen Buttitta <
satorarepotenetoperarotas3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Which Beowulf? Shaeffer?
>
> – Galen Buttitta, Protagonist
>
> > On Sep 15, 2019, at 16:57, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You and I may be the only speakers of AmE who care about this,
> anymore(😜),
> > Benjamin.
> > Back in the '50's, Labov noted this structure as a feature of BE, the
> > standard structure being not,
> > a.“Democrats are trying to figure out _who is_ the candidate that can
> play
> > on Trump’s terrain, which is different from any terrain we’ve ever seen
> in
> > modern politics,”
> > but
> > b.“Democrats are trying to figure out _who_ the candidate _is_ that can
> > play on Trump’s terrain, which is different from any terrain we’ve ever
> > seen in modern politics,”
> > or even
> > c.“Democrats are trying to figure out _who_ the candidate that can play
> on
> > Trump’s terrain, which is different from any terrain we’ve ever seen in
> > modern politics, _is_.”
> >
> > What are you going to do? As Beowulf is said to have observed, "There's
> no
> > stopping language change."
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:25 PM Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I think this topic has been covered here before. The Washington Post
> has a
> >> nice example today:
> >>
> >> ‘More united’ vs. ‘A house divided’: GOP goes all in on Trump while
> >> Democrats clash over ideology and tactics
> >> by By Toluse Olorunnipa and Rachael Bade
> >>
> >> ****
> >> For both parties, Trump is the main driver of the disruption, said Amy
> >> Walter, national editor of the Cook Political Report.
> >>
> >> “Democrats are trying to figure out who is the candidate that can play
> on
> >> Trump’s terrain, which is different from any terrain we’ve ever seen in
> >> modern politics,” she said.
> >> ####
> >> ####
> >>
> >> I don’t see intonation making this sound right.
> >>
> >> Benjamin Barrett (he/his/him)
> >> Formerly of Seattle, WA
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Wilson
> > -----
> > All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
> > come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> > -Mark Twain
> >
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